Smart Objects - Save as PDF

Good Afternoon:
I've got a PSD file in which I have pasted some vector paths from Illustrator as a Smart Object. Everything works as expected.
When I save the PSD as a PDF, the PDF that I receive is entirely raster based. The vector based paths are not preserved as vectors - they are rasterized.
Is this a limitation of the Smart Objects, or is there some way to yield a PDF which would include the Illustrator generated artwork as vectors?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Matt

Matt
I would answer but I do not know anything about pdf files to make any intelligent comments.
Sorry
Ed

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Message was edited by: Rene-) for exact workflow and screenshots

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