Smart objects transform&duplicate again

I am on a windows xp system and using the ps cs3 extended 10.0.1 version.
My question is about smart objects and their transformation capabilities.
I have made some tests on 3 objects. I have created a vector object applied basic layer styles(shipped with photoshop) and duplicate it twice. Rasterized duplicated ones. Converted vector original and one of duplicated raster copy to smart object and leave one of the raster copy as normal object. Objects have given the same size information in the info palette. Aligned them vertically using a grid.
I have tried some possibilities i have used ctrl+alt+T command transform and duplicate on one of the smart object. It was not working. So i have tried ctrl+shift+alt+T it was not working properly too.
I have applied ctrl+alt+T to normal raster object to create a reference transformation it was working. But when i apply ctrl+alt+shift+T command to vector and raster smart object. I realized that command transforms duplicated copies completely different than the reference transformation applied to normal object.
is it a bug or a normal behavior .

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As to your question #2: by all means do any upsampling of the raw file inside Adobe Camera Raw through the ACR workflow options (looks like a link right under the ACR preview window) to the exact dimensions you'll be using. That'll give you the best quality.
Downsampling to upsample later is just nuts!
Re #1: "To keep file size down and to keep as much quality as possible" is an oxymoron. You get either or.
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Thanks, that's what I thought. I have many scenarios which need this, and it's a real annoyance that it doesn't seem possible. Somewhere in the file are the coordinates and specs which are controlling the transformation, and no way to access them
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Has anyone noticed that when you scale down a smart object in Photoshop CS5, the transformation tool resets the dimensions to 100%? In CS4, you are able to see the transformation properties once you scale down (by option-Shift clicking on the bounding box). It would be helpful to retain the scaled dimensions of the transformed smart object in case you need to import other smart objects to rescale.

Thanks. Here's a link to the video of me transforming in CS5:
http://www.notchill.com/tmp/CS5_SmartObject_Transform.mov
Please note: The smart object I imported was already scaled down from the original size, but the transform controls show it as 100%.
In contrast, here is a screen cap of me doing the exact same process in CS4:
http://www.notchill.com/tmp/CS4_SmartObject_Transform.mov
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How to copy a smart object transform in Photoshop

Hello!
Smart objects in photoshop is realy powerfull tool, i use it in many different ways and create complicated web graphic. But many times i need to do one thing with them and always fail:
If i have several different smart objects, and I do DIFFERENT perspective transform to them (it means scaling distortion rotation etc)
how can i apply the *same* transform that has one of my objects to another one smart objet that yet has no transformation (or it has some alrady dosn't matter)?
In other words how can i copy the transformation in some way (as you might copy a layer style and apply the same one to a different layer)
Is there any way? or i shoud look to scripting to do that?
Is there real photoshop guru who knows how to do that?
thanks in advance

Thank you!
Yes i know about this workaround but unfortunatly there will be immediatly other question raised :
if i do this (replace content of my new smart object created by copying from original) then this new smart object will be disconnected from any other smart object, and there is no way how to restore this connection betwen smart objects after content replace operation. Or there is?
This is important for me cause in my work i have a lot of smart objects with different transformations but conneted to one source data object.
So unfortunatly for me but this idea is not even workaround for my workflow? It's so pity

Resetting Smart Objects

Since no-one else seems to have done this. I seem to remember making this request once before, but here goes again
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I will also add to this one other Smart Object feature request also made previously -
The ability to show in the layers panel, Smart Objects that are linked Instances of each other - so that these are easily distinguishable by icon, from Smart Objects that are independent objects.

The forum is effective, just indirect.
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When something goes into the bug/feature database, it's closed to the rest of the world.

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Thanks for the helpful tips.
The screens were taken at 100%, cropped for space and unfortunately optimized as jpegs. But you can see that the after image has lines and jagged edges instead of a smoother gradient and softer edges.
Unfortunately my computer can no longer support 3D since Photoshop CC requires a video card with 512mb of vram. I only have 256mb.
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Ok, you are in frame animation mode. I thought cs5 had a timeline mode, but now I think I was wrong.
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In the tween dialog box the higher the number of frames set here, will create a smoother animation but will result in a longer time frame for the animation to play.
Because Photoshop has no way of knowing which way the object should rotate, it is feasible for it to rotate the opposite direction or could look wonky. Just undo and add an in between layer showing how it should look in the middle, then continue on.
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This has happened to me forever and every so often I ask to see if there's a solution. It seems like a bug.
Here's the process.
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Free Transform
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Measurements are different than what was applied!
I've again documented the process and am attaching all the images at the end.
See specs & hardware:
OSX 10.8.5
PS CC 14.2.1 x64
Magic Mouse.
This also happens at home with
OSX 10.9.3
PS CC 14.2.1 x64
Trackpad or USB mouse
Notes:
If rasterized this tends to not happen but that's not a solution because it takes away the advantage of Smart Objects.
Image 6 is the second Free Transform.
Any help is appreciated.

It happens when you have transformed text.
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Ps CS6 Problem: Transform applied to Smart Object cannot be repeated on another target

Ps CS6
OS X 10.6.8
Problem: Transform applied to Smart Object cannot be repeated on another target.
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When ever I have a problem in CS6 and I have many I always test priot releases like cs2 cs3 cs5. I nevet nitice before you posted this problem the Photoshop has different favlors of Free Transform and that free transform for CS6 has been modified. Adobe seems to be introducind new improvement matche with new bugs,
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The option bar for layers other then smart object looklike this:
Transform 9 anchor point icons X: field Relative icon Y: filed W: % Constrain icon H: % Angle ° H: ° V: °
The Option Bar for Smart Object layers look like this:
Transform 9 anchor point icons X: field Relative icon Y: filed W: % Constrain icon H: % Angle ° Check Box Anti Alias (grayed out)
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CS6 also added interpolation method to the other then Smart object layer transform and not the one for smart object layers. To be consuitant Adobe should have also put interpolation into the omart opject transform for Adobe transforms smart opject layer by first rendering the pixels for the smart opject then transforms them like a raster layer. Adobe did manage to record the interpolation use into an action step. However I do not know if the made it into Scripting it did not make it into the photoshop javascript user guide. I will test the scriptlistener plugin to see if it records it for the action manager....
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I have now tested the Scriptlistner Plugin it does record the interpolation for transform normal layers. Still the layer resize method in the Photoshop Javascript user guide has not been change for that support. In the past what I have done is scripting was to save the users default interpolation Photoshop prenerenvr changed the preference to what I wanted to use do the layer transform resize then restored the users interpolation preferance. Adobe broke that in CS6 if the users defalt preference is what Adobe's defalt is "Bicubic Automatic" an internal Photoshop error occurs. Adobe did not add "Bicubic Autoimatic" to scripting when I try to save the preference scriping has the internal error. There is also no way to set the preference back to "Bicubic Automatic. I'm also transform smart object layers so I would still have to use the save preference, change preference, transform, restore preferance method. This works if the users preference is set to some preference other the "Bicubic Automatic"
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So to me it look like CS5 and CS6 transform work basiclly the same. There seems to have been some behavior changes made to CS6 I can not seem to put my finger on as well as the addition of the interpolation method in the option bar. I can't put my finger on it so it may be the same in CS5 and CS6.
It may have to do with the bazar behavior of Free Transform and Transform Again not being available on smart object layers if no free transform to a normal layer has been done in this Photoshop session but are available if one was done in any doument. And thet you can start to do a transform on the smart object layer and see the Transform handle but then start using transform Again shortcut Ctrl+Shift+T and watch the old transform being done perhaps rotating some virtual anchor point and not around the acnchor point bing displayed in the Transform bounding box and control points.
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Over in the Adobe Feedback site several issues were posted with CS6 Transform one was marked "Not a problem" by Adobe. One was marked "Solved" by Adobe and the others have no Adobe markings the may on not be a problem
So I beleive there is a bug but I do not think it originated in CS6 the bazar things I see happing also seem to be in CS5.

Transforming a Smart Object Layer

Plain ordinary photograph..... Start with a background layer. Add a layer for doing non-destructive cloning. Add a couple layers for adjusting curves and hue/saturation.
Then do a merge visible to create a new layer from all the underlying layers and still keep all the underlying layers.
Convert this layer to a smart object and apply Smart Sharpening.
All the above works fine.........................
Now I want to do a transform - free, scaling, whatever..... I can select the marged layer but all the transforms are grayed out.
How do I do a transform on a smart object layer?

Hi Noel. Your questions are valid... This isn't my normal post-processing.
NORMALLY, I have a couple layers for dodging and burning, probably something for other fiddling, my normal adjustment layers for curves and hue/saturation, then a "stamp visible". Depending on whether or not I wind up converting to b&w I may have a couple other layers for that.... Then I save the psd, and afterward crop and sharpen as needed. Generally,
my sharpening is to use the Smart Sharpen on my merged layer, OR to duplicate thelayer and do a high-pass sharpening.
Recently, I've seen two presentations by well-regarded Photoshop experts extolling the virtues of doing as much as possible in non-destructive ways. For sharpening, as I understand it, this means either opening the original image as a smart object, or converting to a smart object prior to sharpening. SO, I've been trying this on some images, just to see if there are some real advantages, or if it's just a big pain-in-the-neck way to do something that's pretty standard.... Frankly, I"m still not sure.
In THIS particular case, I had an image that had been edited, and the sharpening applied through the smart filter PRIOR to cropping. My wife requested a non-standard resizing, not a crop, that meant using a transform to change the aspect ratio of the image. That's when I found that the transforms wouldn't work on my smart object..
Unfortunately, as it turns out, I was right - it was an error on my part. I SELECTED part of the image on the layer with the marque tool... Had i NOT done the selection, the transform would have worked fine.....
So, the bottom line is yes, I agree that it's easy to get caught up in trying to make everything non-destructive and flexible, but sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth.

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I was wondering if there is any way to track an object's rotation axis something like the difference between Local & Global axes in 3d programs.
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There is a big difference between a smart object layer and a raster later. Though a smart object layer seems to behave like a raster layer its operation is very different. The Pixels rendered by Photo do not change they are only acted on. Everything is recorded for the layer each smart object layer has an associated transform. If you transform the layer again you actually adjusting the recorded transform your not making a new one. If you transform a raster layer you wind of with a different layer, Pixels may have been deleted or added you do not have access to the old data except in Photoshop history states till it get deleted. Smart object data is protected and survive even save in a layered document.

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