Smart playlist isn't being followed
I recently have been using the smart playlist as a way to get around the loss of the shuffle by album feature on my touch. For a while it was working fine and suddenly, the ipod no longer follows the playlist. If I pick a sing off the playlist, it will play the first song and then after that, play a random song instead of the one that the playlist says should be next. I tried turning off the live updating, as well as copying the smart playlist to a dumb one and it still doesn't work.
C'mon Apple, restore the shuffle by album feature to the touch!
Yeah, I had the same problem too with my iPhone 3G trying to sync my smart-playlists. (Specifically, my smart-playlists weren't syncing the correct list of songs from my iTunes. It would show a totally different list of songs on my iPhone, although the list in iTunes was correct.)
I went to the apple store yesterday with the same problem. the apple store genius told me me edit the smart-playlist and uncheck the box that says "live updating" (although this disable's iTunes from automatically updating the playlist according to the rules you set for it, say if I play a song iTunes will add it to my "recently played" smart-playlist, however it WILL update the smart-playist to what you have on your iTunes). To have the playlist update itself automatically again, just go back and click "live updating" to turn it back on.
I know it seems like a pain, but I'm guessing this is a problem with iTunes 9.0.1 Hopefully someone at Apple will recognize this problem and hopefully develop and fix. Good luck!
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Smart Playlist isn't live updating on Ipod
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Bug: iOS 5 and iTunes 10.5 podcast smart playlist sort order and how to fix.
There seems to be a bug in iOS 5 and iTunes 10.5 involving the sort order of a smart playlist of podcasts. I created such a playlist and sorted by release date on iTunes but I noticed it had a different sort order on the iPod Touch.
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workaround update: limit to must be turned on, set it to an absurdly high number if you don't want to actually limit the playlist, then one of the sortby options in that submenu will work. The live update checkbox is irrelevant from experimentation.
This workaround does NOT fix the fundamental problem: sort order from itunes in smart playlists is not being synced and preserved in ios5 devices.
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Hi,
I've just received my new MacBook Air (I'm loving it!) and as it's blank I'm taking the opportunity to assess my iTunes library and previous purchases. I have downloaded a total of 20 tracks, so there are only 20 tracks stored on the harddrive, all other tracks are in iCloud.
I've set up a smart playlist with the criteria, Location - is - on this computer, I fully expected this smart playlist to show me the 20 tracks that I've downloaded, but it remains blank.
I'm wanting to see these tracks, but for some reason the smart playlist isn't working. Is this because the settings for the smart playlist are wrong, ie. this won't show what's on the hard drive? or is something going wrong with my playlist?
Any guidance on seeing just the songs on my hard drive would be really appreciated.
Many thanksIt appears that it was all down to a timing issue. 12 hours later and the playlist is now working fine.
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10.4 Smart Playlist Live Update Issue
Hi All,
Among the other challenges presented by the 10.4 series of updates (greyed out commands, disabled shortcuts that come and go for no apparent reason) the smart playlist live update function seems to be broken. I do a lot of tagging and use smart playlists to identify tracks that need particular tags. I used to be able to highlight them all, run a script and they'd all get tagged and clear out. Now it breaks down after a couple and grinds to a halt. Works fine if you turn live update off, run the script then turn it back on, but that kind of defeats the purpose right?
On the smart playlist thread, I've also encountered an issue where I can no longer edit a smart playlist: command-I doesn't work and "edit smart playlist" is greyed out in the "file" menu.
Anybody else know what the deal is, or is it just part of iTunes becoming less of a music player because it's "more than a music player?"Thanks Leonie - issue with editing smart playlists isn't that I don't know how to do it, it's that it periodically isn't an option (i.e. command-I or file menu drop-down are greyed out & doesn't matter what or where you click). I'm running Snow Leopard 10.6.8.
Not sure how to tell what command is getting stuck, but it's definitely the interaction between the script and the live update feature because it works perfectly when live update is off (and the script is fairly simple - see below).
Thing is that it's not the smart playlists themselves that aren't working, they are all fine, issue is limited to the live update feature. I use SPs to tag particular things (ie dragging to a playlist causes it to show up in the smart playlist if it's not tagged - so I go to smart playlist & run the script to tag all of them in a batch and once they've got the tag they should disappear from the SP). Here's the script, though, slightly modified for me by the author - it's actually pretty ******* if you want to steal it. He wrote one for removing tags too (all using the grouping section):
property okflag : false
-- check if iTunes is running
tell application "Finder"
if (get name of every process) contains "iTunes" then set okflag to true
end tell
if okflag then
try
tell application "iTunes"
set selected_tracks to a reference to selection
activate
if selection is {} then
display dialog "Please select songs first."
return
end if
try
display dialog "Enter group to add:" default answer ""
set dialogInfo to result
on error dialogError
return
end try
set grouptoadd to text returned of dialogInfo
repeat with current_track in selected_tracks
try
set current_grouping to grouping of current_track
set group_delimiter to ", "
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to the group_delimiter
set the track_groups to every text item of current_grouping
if current_grouping is "" then
if (length of (genre of current_track as string)) is not 0 then
set track_groups to {}
end if
end if
if track_groups does not contain grouptoadd then
set track_groups to track_groups & grouptoadd
end if
set grouping of current_track to the track_groups as string
on error trackErr
display dialog "Unable to update track \"" & name of current_track & "\"-" & trackErr
end try
end repeat
end tell
display dialog ((count of selected_tracks) as string) & " track(s) updated."
on error myErr
display dialog myErr
end try
end if -
Smart playlists, grouping, and podcasts question
Hi I listed to a lot of podcasts, and have them grouped using "Grouping" feature like Home, Money, Health, etc. I then have a smart playlists that have the following settings:
Podcast is yes, playcount is 0, and grouping is 'Home' (or money or whatever)
The problem I am having is when new podcasts are downloaded, they DO NOT inherit the grouping setting for that podcast!
So every day, I have to go to each podcast, and reset the grouping to Home (or whatever it is) -
How I permanently set the grouping for each episode to have the correct grouping?
Thanks in advance,
NdimitruOh, you got it!!! I'd never noticed "Playlist" as a parameter in the smart playlists! Suddenly all kinds of possibilities open up! It did work the way you suggested but I decided to take a different tack. I created a 4-5 star "rock" playlist and a 4-5 star "alternative" playlist and then created a third smart playlist that includes the first two playlists! Now I can just continue creating smart playlists that include only songs I rate 4-5 stars in all of my 51 genres and create composite playlists to my heart's content! OK, I wouldn't do that. Once I get over 25 genres, it'd be easier to go back to the subtraction method. ; )
Thanks for your help Diane! You're brilliant!
Peter
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Hold the Option key and the Plus sign will turn to an ellipsis.
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Smart Playlists - Match any/all of the following rules.
Hi.
I am using OSX 10.4.9 and iTunes 7.1.1 (5)
I am hoping to make a smart playlist that has 24 rules. I am hoping to get iTunes to match ANY of some rules and ALL of others... Like this...
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- Match ALL of the following rules - Applied to 20 of the rules.
I hope to do this all in one smart playlist. Anyone know if this is at all possible? Maybe with a script?
I did search with no luck.
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You could get at it with sort of a "compound" playlist. To use a simple example, let's say my objective is to have a playlist that has all my tunes that haven't been played since Jan 1, 2007 and are either Blues or songs performed by Al Green. I actually need two playlists to accomplish this. First I create a smart playlist with two statements: Genre IS NOT Blues AND Artist IS NOT Al Green. Let's call it the "Not Blues or Green" playlist (forgive me, that was not intentional). Now, in the second playlist, I can use the statement, Playlist IS NOT "Not Blues or Green", to specify a set of songs that are either blues or done by Al Green. I combine (join with an AND) that statement with the statement, Last Played IS AFTER 12/31/2006, to create the second playlist that gets me to my objective.
For your case, it should also be a two-layer "compound playlist", only with four statements in the first playlist and 21 statements in the second.
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I'm using the latest iTunes on Windows 8. Since upgrading to iTunes 12 my old system of smart playlists within folders have not worked properly. I used to have a folder containing three folders with smart playlists in them, but I had to abandon this and copy all the smart playlists into one folder, as the nested structure didn't seem to update anymore. This worked for a couple of months (even though it was less convenient and didn't exactly accomplish what I had been able to do on iTunes 11 and earlier).
More recently, however, I've found that the folder in the simplified structure also doesn't work properly. The smart playlists are set up to remove songs after they were played, but now the folder seems to retain some songs even after they've disappeared from the playlist that included them. It seems to be building up 'ghosts' of songs that were played and were then supposed to disappear as per the smart playlist setup. I tried copying all the playlists out of the folder, but ended up with the folder 'properties' showing that it contained a number of songs, even when it was empty.
I also noticed that I'm unable to reference the folder in the conditions of any new playlists I set up - I get the error message that the folder relies on smart playlists that cannot be updated. In response to this I reviewed all the playlists, but saw no errors.
Anybody else have this problem?It may be best to recreate the folder and the smart playlists from scratch.
tt2 -
One smart playlist is being discriminated!
Hello,
I have an issue that would like to share, maybe someone has come across it before.
I have a few smart playlists in my iTunes. One of them is simply "album rating=****", no other conditionals. All the smart playlists are correctly synced, except for this one (that shows blank on my iphone). Stranger still, during sync (which on iOS5 mantains the iphone operational) I am able to see the playlist on the iphone, even play it, but in the moment the sync is completed the playlist goes suddenly blank and music stops.
Has anybody seen this before?I am having a similar problem. All of my playlists sync correctly to iPhone except for one of the smart playlists. A playlist with the same name appears on my iPhone but it has totally different songs in it, songs which don't even fit the smart playlist's criteria. What's even stranger is that when I click the blue triangle next to iPhone on the iTunes library pane, and look at the playlist there, it shows the correct songs that should have synced. It seems iTunes thinks its syncing the correct playlist but iPhone is just showing random music.
Mike I haven't tried duplicating the playlist to see what happens.
Any advice please let me know.... -
Why won't smart playlists upload to iCloud when using itunes match, for use on my iOS devices?
" There are Gigbytes of iCloud space being taken up right now with audio files that are just audiobooks i've ripped in from CD. I don't need it up there. Apple surely dosn't want me wasting all that space on their servers... Why in the name of heaven would they go out of their way to make it impossible to fix?"
You brought this up in an earlier post, which I responded to. It's not "impossible to fix," but it does take some work. I pointed you a post that details how to make duplicates, change file names, get those files off Apple's servers and still keep them in your library. I see you're running into a problem changing the file type. If you follow the method I've used for swapping non-playing music files for copies that will play, at the point where you edit the actual file name, you're doing it outside of itunes. I don't need to change file type for what I'm doing, but working in the finder, I've never had a problem doing it, If you have a lot of files, I know changing them all to .epub manually may be a pain. I'm sure there are utilities out there that would let you batch change the file extension though. For reference below is the process I've used to swap out my own matched files.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3567775
"And while on the subject of things made pointlessly difficult or impossible: I love the iCloud Status setting in the smart playlists... But the most basic feature I need, dosn't seem to be an option: What is in the cloud and what is on my drive. Isn't this a fairly obvious thing?"
I've never used smart playlists, but your concern made me go look. I made one that included songs that were local and another that were uploaded or matched by using the icloud status qualifiers "matched" "uploaded" and "local only." Doesn't "Local only" do what you want?
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Advanced use of Smart Playlists: Union of two playlists
I know how to make the intersection of two playlist into one using the smart playlist, but i'm looking for make the union of two playlist using this... The logical 'and' is easy to implement but I cannot find the way to set the logical 'or'. The example that lead me to this question is the following:
I wanna create a list called 'Trending', composed by the songs which:
1. have being included in the last four weeks.
2. its playcount is up to or more than five.
(this playlist has been already created as it's really easy to do -merely intersection-)
OR (and here is the problem)
1. are in a determinated playlist (in this case is a common playlist where i put songs i rediscovered in my library)
2. its playcount is at least one.
(this playlist is also created)
The outcome would be a cool playlist giving you the songs that are trending for one (new song listened more than five times) or another (a song you want to 'rescate') reason for you in that moment.
So the problem can be simplified to if it's possible to set the union of two playlists.
Thanks!Do you mean using a Smart Slice for reporting purposes? They don't mean anything with the contexts of Planning forms, unless you mean planning with a small "p".
If you're talking about Hyperion Planning, the access you provide on a form for the POV and even the members in the rows and columns act as a kind of Smart Slice. Even in Planning ad-hoc mode, I don't believe you have access to members that aren't defined in the form itself -- it's always a subset. Would that meet your requirement?
It would be beyond awesome for Planning to support Essbase METAREAD filter functionality, as it would limit Planners to their Planning access. As that still isn't the case, I can definitely see the utility of having Planners go against a Smart Slice for their data as you could tailor the access so that the Essbase ad-hoc matched Planning.
The problem with the above approach is that you'd have to create as many Smart Slices as there are Planners, assuming each Planner had different access. That would get confusing, and maintenance intensive, pretty quickly.
Could you perhaps create a handful of Smart Slices and have different Planner groups connect to them? I'm not sure how you'd stop one group connecting to the "wrong" Smart Slice. I am pretty sure, even with 11.1.2, that there is no Smart Slice provisioning. Although it would be nice.
You can also have Planning Smart Slices (I have never used it) although I can't say I really see the utility of it if the only purpose is to restrict access. I guess you could use it to bring some of the controls in but I wonder whether you wouldn't just do that in Essbase. It is nice to have choices, however.
Regards,
Cameron Lackpour -
Why may smart playlists not show up on Apple TV?
I am using iTunes 10.3 to make smart playlists, and am telling iTunes to sync the smart playlist to an Apple TV (1st gen.). However, the smart playlist I tell iTunes to sync appears for a moment, then disappears after sync is complete. The music that appears in the smart playlist is indeed on the Apple TV, but the playlist itself isn't.
Any ideas why this may be the case, and are there any solutions to this problem using iTunes 10?Must admit I'm a bit confused with this. I have Home Sharing etc enabled and run the ATV remote on an iPhone and an iPad. Now, when I have the MacBook on I can access the full iTunes library on that device along with ALL the playlists etc.
However, when that source is not available I can still access music (presumably the library on my phone because a lot of the stuff I can play from it is locally ripped CDs, not cloud material) BUT it only shows the Smart Playlists on my phone, not any that I have created. same with the iPad.
This brings me to another query. Obviously I can access my playlists through the regular iPhone Music app and then use AirPlay to listen through the Apple TV. So it's likely a quicker solution. What I wonder though is whether the sound quality is any different. Being somewhat naive with regard to how this stuff works (bit like beer really, I like it, but don't know how it works) I'm assuming the sound quality would be no different given that it would presumably use the same protocols etc. to stream the data.
Odd that I can't see device playlists when using the devices only?? -
IPod touch / iPhone: Smart Playlists empty / missing after 3.1.3 Update
Dear all,
the following problem is very persistent and it happened to me and a friend of mine (iPod touch / iPhone), in both cases, smart playlists created in iTunes (Mac), latest version, are home to several tracks. These tracks are being transferred to the iPod/iPhone - but the playlist doesn't show up or is shown as empty (both cases happened). The tracks are on the iPod/iPhone if you select them manually.
Re-Creating the playlists helped, but this is not the solution as the problem pops up with other playlists after having done that (however, the re-created playlists work).
The iPods/iPhones have been reset, freshly installed etc., music has been taken off completely from them - the problem remains / comes back.
It seems as if 3.1.3 has a problem with smart playlists and dubious one at that. Annoying at the very same time.
I'm a bit disappointed about having wasted several hours of my life on this problem, that is not what I expect from Apple. :/
Any permanent solutions out there?
Alex."Some sort" of solution.
So after having dabbled with Apple's attempt for a solution, I seem to have found one that seems(...) to work for me when it comes to audio books:
- create a new smart playlist
- filter the current cd "Terry Pratchett (Disc 2))
- counter is 0
and(!)
add:
maximum of X hours, sorted by NAME... that actually did the trick.
Of course, you need one more thing: you have to add the track's name to the name of the audio track... (see Doug's apple scripts for that script).
Honestly... I'm a bit disappointed that I had to become smarter than Apple. Don't you want to give me a job, guys? -
Smart Playlists: a beginners guide
Hi all!
If you're like me, you probably couldn't wait to load all your music onto your iPod, but you very quickly realized that the twenty odd days of music in your computer will never fit into your iPod. Below is a guide for maximizing your iPod space while minimizing the amount of library shuffling you have to do to get the most of your music.
It's a fair amount of work up front, but once in place I think you'll find it worth the effort. It did take me some time to figure out how to best do this, so I figure some of you might still be in those early stages.
I assume the following:
1. You've got your favorites that you don't want to remove from your iPod because you listen to them often.
2. Your library is dynamic. You add new tunes from time to time.
3. You have much more music than will ever fit into your iPod.
4. You have many songs you'd like to hear from time to time, but not all the time.
5. You aren't 100% familiar with everything in your library (loaded a whole album with which you only really knew one or two songs?)
6. You, like my ex girlfriend, have many moods. And your desires change accordingly.
Here's what I did. (And if you can improve upon this, by all means post how!)
PREPARATION-
First, go to your library. Show the "rating" column so you can see how many stars your songs have. Sort them all by the number of stars. Then see all those ones without stars? Rate them. I'd say give 'em all 1 star if you're not sure what you want to give 'em yet. YOu can change this while listening to 'em in your iPod and you'll see later why that's key. Bear in mind, you can select a huge list of 'em by clicking on the first unrated song, then holding down SHIFT and clicking on the last one. Then you can rate 'em all 1 star in one fell swoop.
Second, check the genre of all your songs. If they haven't got one, consider adding a genre. This isn't critical, but you might find it's easier to build your playlists if you grab everything you might want by genres.
SOURCE-
Okay, create a new playlist. Make it a non-smart one. I suggest giving it a functional name like "SOURCE - Rock & Alterna". When you go to reference these while making smart playlists, you'll find it easier to locate if all your sources are together. This playlist will be huge. The idea is to take everything you might ever want to hear from these genres and toss 'em into this playlist. Now, you can use a smart playlist to do it, but I'm suggesting the regular playlist because you can freely add the occasional non-genre song to it. (ie: the one that sounds rock but is listed as pop.) For now, don't put too much thought into this. Just stuff it all in there. This playlist won't be going on your iPod as is.
Next, we've got the intermediary playlists. These do the thinking that give the playlists their "smart" title.
Make these three new smart playlists:
Rock & Alternative TOP 20
Rock & Alternative MID 30
Rock & Alternative BOT 50
Set the properties for them as such:
Rock & Alternative TOP 20
- songs follow all rules
- Playlist is "SOURCE Rock & Alternative"
- Rating is greater than zero stars
- Playcount is greater than 10 (adjust to suit your needs)
- limit to 20 songs
** Sort by Least Recently Played
Rock & Alternative MID 30
- songs follow all rules
- Playlist is "SOURCE Rock & Alternative"
- Rating is greater than zero stars
- Playcount is less than 11 (adjust to suit your needs, but keep below the 'top 20' playcount)
- Playcount is greater than 2 (adjust to suit your needs)
- limit to 30 songs
** Sort by Least Recently Played
Rock & Alternative BOT 50
- songs follow all rules
- Playlist is "SOURCE Rock & Alternative"
- Rating is greater than zero stars
- Playcount is less than 3 (adjust to suit your needs, but keep below the 'mid 30' playcount)
- limit to 50 songs
** Sort by Least Recently Played
You've now got a total of 100 songs from your "SOURCE Rock and Alternative" playlist. 20 are your favorites. 30 are 'up and coming' or quasi-favorites etc. And 50 are going to be ones you don't know as well. Mind you, you can change the number of each of these. Just keep track of how many you have in each. I chose for the "top" because that's about how many indispensible songs I have for the genre. If you've got 50 that you can't live without, adjust the numbers accordingly. The 'top' ones are the ones you want to keep in your iPod all the time.
Now, the actual playlist you're gonna put into the iPod:
Create a new 'smart' playlist. Name it whatever the heck you want (I'll call it "R&A". And add these rules:
- songs follow any rules
- Playlist is "Rock & Alterna Top 20"
- Playlist is "Rock & Alterna Mid 30"
- Playlist is "Rock & Alterna Bot 50"
- limit to 100 songs
** Sort by Random
It is important to keep the number of songs in this playlist equal to the total number of your 'top' 'mid' and 'bot' playlists.
So here's what you've got now:
A mix of 100 songs in random order. You're going to hear some songs you don't know well. If you don't like them, rate them zero stars from your iPod (center button twice) and they'll fall off the list from then on and be replaced by a new song you don't know well (because it's "least recently played"). As you listen to some of 'em more and more, they'll move their way from the Bot 50 to the Mid 30. Songs in the middle won't move as much, but if you really like them, they might squeeze their way up to the top 20. It's important to keep the "least recently played" option on, because that's the only way to guarantee these playlists update every time you sync up.
I also suggest keeping some empty space on the iPod as the size of this smart playlist will change every time you sync. (because the songs you just listened to will be dropped off and replaced with new ones which are different durations)
At first, you'll have lots of songs you don't know well. But as you rate 'em zeros if you don't want 'em on there, the list will shrink and you'll see some more consistancy.
Also, when you buy new songs, just toss 'em into the SOURCE playlist and they'll work their way up the charts as you listen to 'em.
I hope this multi-tiered smart playlist works out for you as well as it has for me. Let me know if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions.There is no way on an iPod to say "Oh, I don't like this song. Take it out of circulation." You can do it from iTunes once you get home if you remember which song it was, yeah, but someone like me who has a hard time remembering as far back as the beginning of this sentence will likely forget the song title by then.
If you use ratings as a means of removing the song, then you can do it on the fly.
But you make an excellent point. Why rate songs you haven't actually determined a rating for yet?
It'd make more sense to change all the intermediary playlists to include the rule "Rating *is not* 1 star". That way zero star songs can be played as well as anything two stars or higher, but songs you've rated as bad will be removed next time you sync up.
Thanks for pointing that out.
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