Smooth cam analysis of entire clip!

Hello,
I'm working on a long multiple-camera edit. I've been thoroughly impressed by the Smooth Cam filter because it's saved me tons of time on keyframing little camera bumps out, especially on our handheld crowd shots. It really is spectacular. Anyway, before applying the filter, it analyzes the clip. But, instead of just analyzing the portion of the clip that I've cut, it's analyzing the entire clip. The duration of the entire shot is about 35 minutes and it's saying it will take 6 hours to analyze. I only applied the filter to a 9 second clip.
Has anyone else had to deal with this? Any workarounds?
The footage was shot 1080PsF 23.98 and captured as the same with the Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) codec, but I don't think that makes a difference with this problem since I tested to see if it analyzes the entire clip with some DV footage I had on my system. Which it does.

Your problem most likely has to do with collapsing your multiclips. Before you collapse them FCP is looking at the whole clip, not just the section you've cut into your sequence. By collapsing the clips you then tell FCP to only work with the angles on the timeline.
To collapse one or more multiclips in the Timeline:
1. Select the multiclips you want to collapse in the Timeline.
2. Do one of the following:
- Choose Modify > Collapse Multiclip(s).
- Control-click one of the selected multiclips in the Timeline, then choose Collapse
Multiclip(s) from the shortcut menu.
The selected multiclips are collapsed to the clips of their active angles.
To expand one or more multiclips in the Timeline:
1. Select the multiclips you want to expand in the Timeline.
2. Do one of the following:
- Choose Modify > Uncollapse Multiclip(s).
- Control-click one of the selected multiclips in the Timeline, then choose Uncollapse
Multiclip(s) from the shortcut menu.
The selected multiclips are expanded to the clips of their active angles.
All this can be found in the FCP manual, so if it doesn't make sense here look it up.
Hope this works for you.
jesse.

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