Snow leopard is 30-50% slower than Tiger???

I've recently upgraded from Tiger (10.4.11) to Snow Leopard (10.6.4) and to be perfectly honest, I'm real disappointed. I'm a game developer and the first thing I noticed is that all my games now run 30-50% slower than in Tiger. I've read that this is caused by SL's OpenGL drivers.
1. Is anyone else experiencing this?
2. Is Apple working on a fix for this, and if so, how soon can we expect to see it?
3. Short of buying more hardware, is there anything I can do to fix this?

Sorry if I wasn't clear, the issue is that the games (and the game editor) run 30-50% slower on MY computer (specs below). My development machine has become 50% less useful thanks to SL.

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Im trying to instal snow leopard on my macbook. its running tiger 10.4.11 and it meets all the requirements but it ask me for a restart to begin instalation progres, i restar it and it doesn't happen anything

im trying to instal snow leopard on my macbook. its running tiger 10.4.11 and it meets all the requirements but it ask me for a restart to begin instalation progres, i restar it and it doesn't happen anything. anyone can help me?

I assume the restart was prompted during the installation process?
First of all, that restart will take several minutes while files are moved into place and should not be interrupted.
If it fails, or you have interrupted the process, you'll need to boot from the installer (hold down the C key on startup) and use Disk Utility to erase the drive prior to continuing the installation.
That will wipe all data on the drive, though, so if you didn't make a backup before beginning the upgrade, you'll need to get your data off safely before proceeding. That may likely require the use of another Mac to access yours in Target Disc Mode.

Tiger Upgraded to Snow Leopard and computer runs SLOW, SLOW, SLOW

I have Leopardcy and itch'n for a cure! Has anyone loaded Snow Leopard onto a Tiger, 4.0.?? operating system? I was told I could. I backed up the info I had in my computger on an external hard drive first, then loaded Snow Leopard. Now it runs so slow I could cry. It took 90 seconds to open Pages, 4 minutes to get onto Safari. The Geek Squad at Best Buy store said to reload Tiger, but first back up the current info onto my backup with Time Machine. Questions: If I take Snow Leopard out and reinput Tiger, will Time Machine still be there?? Is it now in my external so it will work or ???? What will be the ramifications of reloading Tiger??
I may need more RAM, but I don't know how to determine that. Any ideas of how to figure out what it is?
Any ideas are most appreciated. Thanks,

It sounds like you have very very limited RAM and very limited free hard disk space.
The lack of RAM causes the OS to attempt to buffer information to hard disk. The lack of hard disk space causes everything to become 'slower than molasses' as the system tries to find free space available on the hard disk.
I'm wondering if you read the installation requirements before you installed Snow Leopard?
Snow Leopard minimum requirements are 1Gb RAM (but note that MORE is recommended) and 5-7Gb available hard disk space, just to install it.
http://manuals.info.apple.com/enUS/Snow_Leopard_InstallationInstructions.pdf
Click on Apple, About This Mac, More Info. Memory shows how much RAM is installed.
Serial-ATA shows details about your installed hard disk but you have to scroll down to see how much disk space is in use and how much is available. If you have less than 10% to 15% of your hard disk free after installing Snow Leopard, you should get both a larger hard drive as well as more RAM (Snow Leopard runs pretty well in 2Gb).
Since it came with Tiger installed, I'm guessing you probably have a 2006 or 2007 1.83Ghz or 2.0Ghz MacBook with 512Mb or 1Gb RAM and an 80Gb or 120Gb drive. You can find factory specs for your model here:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/mac-specs-by-machine-model-machine -id.html
TIme Machine was added with Tiger, OS X 10.5.x, so NO, *a Time Machine backup cannot be restored to Leopard, 10.4.x.* (And you now have a good reason to avoid that BB for future technical support.)

Leopard much slower than Tiger and buggy

Hi,
I run Leopard on PBG4(1.67MHz) with 1GB of ram and iMAC G5(2.1) with 1.5GB of ram and I am experiencing incredibly poor performance.
Booth machines are slower than usual and I cannot find reasons why. On my PB I am constantly getting spinning beach-ball and interestingly my fans are running all the time. Something that was not the case with Tiger. Importantly: I did not install any new SW. I use only MS Office and iWork/iLife.
When I did a little bit of investigation I found out that Safari is taking up a lot of processing time. Even when is idle it takes up to 40%-50% of CPU time. And that is the case with PB and iMac.
Furthermore I have encountered strange behaviour with PowerPoint and Excell and here is one line from console.log:
5.11.07 13:14:58 [0x0-0x49049].com.microsoft.Excel[591] Mon Nov 5 13:14:58 Jabucek.local Excel[591] <Error>: The function `CGPDFDocumentGetMediaBox' is obsolete and will be removed in an upcoming update. Unfortunately, this application, or a library it uses, is using this obsolete function, and is thereby contributing to an overall degradation of system performance. Please use `CGPDFPageGetBoxRect' instead.
Are we having serious problems with Leopard? Was this product premature to be released on the market? I am seriously thinking to downgrade back to Tiger.
Do you have any similar experiences?
Matej

Hi,
I only came to this thread because I was searching for items on a similar Console message:
"/System/Library/CoreServices/SystemUIServer.app/Contents/MacOS/SystemUIServer: The function CGSDictionary is obsolete and will be removed in a Tiger update. Unfortunately, this app, or a library it uses, is using this obsolete function, and is thereby contributing to an overall degradation of system performance."
As you can see, I'm still running Tiger - and I'm worried that installing Leopard will not make this odd message go away - It and another two with a similar message are generated everytime I start up..

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I'm running snow leopard 10.6.8 server and am having some very strange problems with my software updates.
I have all the settings set right (I believe) and I have made the adjustments to allow Lion clients to upgrade from it as well.
The problem I'm having is that when a client running either 10.6 or 10.7 is in the "checking for updates" portion of the update process it takes a very VERY long time to get the the next screen. The clients running 10.6 will show the bar going across at a snails pace for about 10-15 minutes then give the updates report showing my correct updates server at the top of the window.
The clients running 10.7 show the blue bar only going about 1/8-1/3 of the way in, then it stops, and sits there literally for hours before completing the check, then giving me the status and it also does show my correct update server.
I am connected through 1GB Ethernet from my clients to the server so that's not an issues and the speed is good when doing a file transfer. I can transfer 3GB to the server in less than 40 seconds, and pull that same 3GB back to the client in about 30 seconds. I can see and ping the update server. I can access the Xserve web site on my server... and the weird thing is it didn't always do this, it's only been the last month or so.
I have thought it might be a bad or corrupt OS so I reinstalled the OS and all services.
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Asking for the server by IP does mean you're avoiding a DNS lookup.
It doesn't mean that the target OS X Server box won't avoid errors due to a DNS server or network error, nor that any parallel connections that might be initiated at the client or at the server won't encounter DNS errors or network errors; whatever is going on here, and whatever is triggered by the initial IP-based access.
One of the DNS translations that can arise - even when the client is specifying an IP address - is on the remote end of the connection, when that system performs what is called a reverse look-up; translating the client IP address to the client IP name. If there's a reverse translation arising and and if there's a DNS error or DNS timeout or a network error, then things will (still) be slow, even if the initial access was via IP.
If you're running a NAT'd private network, that means local DNS services are necessary and (at least to start with) no references to DNS servers off your NAT'd LAN.
If DNS services aren't quite right, the rest of the network stack gets flaky, and DNS errors look like delays, sluggist networks, and network errors.
There are most certainly other triggers for network slowness ranging from moisture in cables to WiFi interference to a truck that drove through the path of the WISP link, but DNS services are always a good potential culprit until proven otherwise.
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Hi, I'm not a qualified server technician but am currently trying my best to run a server in a Secondary School! Please help, need to fix ASAP.
So basically we've got a Mac Pro running Snow Leopard server which has become incredibly slow in the past week. Nothing has changed in our department to trigger this. Here's everything I know so far...
- If I try to log on to the admin account when "Some Network Accounts Are Available", log on will take under a minute. If I try to log on to the admin account when the light goes green and "Network Accounts Are Available" log on will take forever and eventually just crash and which point I have to just force a shutdown and try again.
- When I can log on, some aspects of the computing seems fast and other aspects are really slow. For example, a few programs open as soon as I log on no problem, however a simple spotlight search or trying to open Sytem Preferences will crash the computer completely.
- Have tried booting in Safe Mode, and everything ran fast and how it's mean to but once restarting and booting normally the problems remained.
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Your comment indicates "crash the computer"? Do you mean that OS X Server itself fails, and you have to reboot? Or that the application crashes, and you have to restart it?
The following are some general approaches toward gathering some data:
Launch Console.app from Applications > Utilities and see if there are blocks of repeating errors.
Launch Terminal.app from Applications > Utilities and issue the following harmess, diagnostic command:
sudo changeip -checkhostname
After entering an administrative password and possibly seeing a one-time informational message about sudo, you should see some network configuration information and then an indication that no changes are required, or that there are DNS or network errors.
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FWIW...
If the applications or OS X Server are crashing, then you're generally heard toward either a reinstallation of the software, or a hardware repair, or quite possibly a combination of the two.
Forcing a hard shutdown can lead to corruptions, depending on exactly what's going on when the power drops out; that's probably best left as a last-resort approach and one best avoided.

How do I install Snow Leopard? I am currently in Tiger

Hi there!
I'd like to know the best way to install Lion. My first generation MacBook white can still run the OS ( I have checked the specs) but the problem for me is that I cannot seem to find a way to install Lion directly since I am still on Tiger.
I have searched Google and saw that the method is to upgrade to Snow Leopard and then Snow Leopard to Lion. Is this true? Or is there any other way to bypass this painful process?
I am posting this as a question about installing Snow Leopard on my mac since I have not found a way to install Lion directly.
Any help or input from you will be greatly appreciated.
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You would need to purchase the Lion installer on a USB stick for $69, then boot from that and erase Tiger in order to install Lion.
btw, you keep quoting Tiger, but your profile says 10.5.8 which is Leopard. The answer is the same, whichever it is.
The normal way is to buy Snow Leopard for $29, install that in place (without erasing anything), update to 10.6.8 using the combo installer from Support Downloads, then sign up to the App store and download Lion for another $29.
I don't buy the 10$ saved, since you could make your OWN usb stick install for just the purchase of Lion.
Oh another thing, Lion is not the same price as SL, it's 29.99

Tiger 10.4.11 to Snow Leopard - Do I need to erase tiger first?

I have the Snow Leopard box set and I'm about to install it. But do I need to erase Tiger first? If so how?
I don't want to install Leopard alongside Tiger obviously, I want to replace it. Will the disk do this automatically?
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Whatever you do leave yourself a way to get back to where you started to cover the possibility that your Sno install doesn't go well. In this regard, I would have a bootable clone on an external drive for use in installing Sno and recovering from a bad Sno install.
I still prefer an erase and install, although the upgrade process is very acceptable too. Really, just do whichever your prefer.
If you do an erase and install, then you can restore everything from the bootable clone (if you make one) at the end of the installation--users, settings, data, and apps. In this regard, I would not plug the external in until the last install restartup. If you do an upgrade installation, then all you users, settings, data, and apps should be in place at the end of your installation.
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the more 'stuff' that gets installed, the more problems with stability, performance, and the system working as it should.
"Too many cooks spoil the soup."

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I can't tell you how LONG I've waited to upgrade to Snow Leopard from Tiger! I bought it THE DAY it came out, manually backed up everything I had to my External Drives (OVER 6TB worth of data!) and to my surprise installing Snow Leopard was just like installing a new App. I popped in the CD, and bam! In like 45 Minutes I was up and running and all my data is UNTOUCHED! WOW! This is unheard of in the HISTORY of Operating Systems!
The computer restarts, and first thing I do is open up Safari. VERY Fast Internet, by the way! WAY faster than before! But! Not ONLY does it NOT respond at times, but man! It BOGS DOWN THE WHOLE SYSTEM! I'm sitting here in amazement! I can't do JACK for like 15 minutes! It actually reminded me of WinCRAP! Then! Finder stops responding and when I try to re-open it, I get an error message! So I have to restart the Mac.
This is ALL in the FIRST DAY which was almost 2 weeks ago!
Fast forward to now:
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I have been force quitting apps like 50 TIMES A DAY!
I am REALLY confused here! This is APPLE! NOT WinCRAP! This should NOT be happening!!!
When are they gonna release the next update to get SL running the way it's SUPPOSED to be running.
I'm frustrated here, but patient, too, because, well, it's Apple and for some reason I have a VERY HIGH tolerance level to Apple. I have NO patience with Windows by contrast. NONE! I get ONE ISSUE and I want to throw the god **** PC out the window! LITERALLY!
But with Apple, I feel like I KNOW that they are listening and that they will be fixed, but I'm getting REALLY tired of force quitting non-responding apps and the slower performance.
PLEASE HELP!
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And I can't just uninstall ALL my plugins. They set the foundation for all the music I create. I have NEVER had ANY issues prior SL.
I still have and use 4 PowerPC G5's because of all the work I do and they are all linked through Fibre Channel. I kept them as backup units as well as general use and since I got my Mac Pro, they are now functioning as the main servers to my network. And because I can access them with my Mac Pro, I can still manually backup my files from my Mac Pro into one of the G5's or DIRECTLY to the RAID System which the G5's are linked to.
The thing I hate about ProTools is that it doesn't support RAID for some stupid, ignorant reason which is why I have to manually back up my ProTools Files on the RAID System. With Logic I don't have these limitations and I actually use the RAID system to access my Logic Project files once their backed up to the RAID.
And here's the thing: When I upgraded one of my G5's from Panther to Tiger back in 2005, I had NO problems whatsoever.
I bought the Mac Pro to prepare for the upcoming software and OS. I didn't upgrade to Leopard because I didn't feel the need to. My Mac Pro came with Tiger and I was really happy with the way it worked and how everything was flawless. And when SL was announced I was VERY eager to upgrade because of all features I knew I could use: The Updated Finder, a TRUE 64-Bit platform, Expose and Spaces which blew my mind in SL and everyone talked about Speed and Memory and how everything is faster in SL. That made me REALLY eager to upgrade since the plugins I use could really benefit from these upgrades and
And I didn't really need Time Machine because I was used to MANUALLY backing up all my files on the RAID system. I have almost 16TB of storage capacity on the RAID configuration and I use one of the internal drives for Sample Libraries, the other is used for Projects, the System Drive with the OS of course, and the last one is used as an extension to the System Drive for general things: GarageBand, Photo's, Documents, iTunes, Downloads, etc.
Now whenever I fix these issues I'm having with SL. I'll start using Time Machine for my general stuff and ProTools files and if it's compatible with RAID, this is gonna be a REAL time saver!
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