Snow Leopard: was this really necessary? aka "multiple problems"

ok, upgraded to Snow Leopard and I can't see any improvements (apart from Quick Look but haven't tried its functions.
I have noticed several subtle inconveniences though... (see below)
This is a brand new MacBook Air and it was already very quick but I thought it would be nice to enjoy a better performance! Unfortunately everything seems to have slowed down a little. And the fans seem to come on almost instantly when watching youtube for example. Previously you had to be doing that for at least 7-8 minutes before the fans came on.
So:
- the machine overall is noticeably slower.
- starting and shutting down now takes at least twice the time it used to.
- my iDisk has gone crazy. It syncs constantly without actually syncing. This is now driving me crazy. Why oh why?
- some of the basic system preferences didn't "transfer" with the upgrade (safari home page, wallpaper, background colour of folders etc etc)
- Word and Excel are very sluggish and crash if I edit anything
- when starting up a file called "recovered items" appears in the trash ...?
- right clicking on the dock icons comes up with a windows-like transparency of options! how do I change this back to the standard silver one?
- my internet connection seems a bit slower but haven't got proof of it, it just the whole thing feels slower
In short, for the first time my Mac feels like a windows laptop... very disappointed.

HI,
Check to see how much free space there is on the startup disk.
Right or control click the MacintoshHD icon. Click Get Info. In the Get Info window you will see Capacity and Available. *Make sure you always have a minimum of 10% to 15% free disk space at all times.* Insufficient disk space can cause some of the problems you are describing.
*Recovered files in your Trash after restart.*
The recovered files are temporary files used by Mac OS X applications. *Usually temporary files are deleted by an application when it no longer needs them*. If an application quits unexpectedly, the temporary files may not be deleted by the application. When you restart your computer, Mac OS X moves these temporary files to the Trash.
*"right clicking on the dock icons comes up with a windows-like transparency of options! how do I change this back to the standard silver one?"*
Might have to reformat and reinsatll 10.5 to do that.
For iDisk. Open System Preferences/MobileMe, select the iDisk tab. At the bottom of that window turn iDisk sync OFF.
Users are reporting that after several restarts your internet speed will increase.
Free internet broadband speed test here.
http://www.speedtest.net/ Click where it says; Begin Test
Download should be about 15.30
Upload about 9.95.
For the fans, try resetting the SMC. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411
Hopefully this will help you out a bit and answered some questions... also, if you have any 3rd party (non Apple) application, you might need to update that software from the developers web site.
Repair disk permissions before and after any updates or upgrades.
Quit any open applications/programs. Launch Disk Utility. (Applications/Utilities) Select MacintoshHD in the panel on the left, select the FirstAid tab. Click: Repair Disk Permissions. When it's finished from the Menu Bar, Quit Disk Utility and restart your Mac. If you see a long list of "messages" in the permissions window, it's ok. That can be ignored. As long as you see, "Permissions Repair Complete" when it's finished... you're done. Quit Disk Utility and restart your Mac.
Six Things You Need to Know About Snow Leopard
Carolyn

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Ok 1st one. The warning restriction message relates to this line in main.cf:
smtpd_helo_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated permit_mynetworks check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/helo_access reject_non_fqdn_hostname reject_invalid_hostname permit reject_invalid_helo_hostname
The last reject occurs after the single word "permit" and is ignored.
However, that's not the problem.
I'm not exactly sure what's happening, but this might be a clue.
It would appear that either postfix is not being able to create the socket for private/policy or it's somehow created with the wrong permissions. You might need to ramp up the debug level to get a better idea.
You could check if it's being created by "netstat -a | grep private/policy" in terminal.
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TS1545 I have downloaded 10.5.8 combo several times and cannot get it to install because the disc won't mount or the installation gets hung up after restart. My current os is 10.5.1, and I am trying to upgrade to snow leopard. This is on a dual core macbo

I have downloaded 10.5.8 combo several times and cannot get it to install because the disc won't mount or the installation gets hung up after restart. My current os is 10.5.1, and I am trying to upgrade to snow leopard. This is on a dual core macbook pro.

You don't need to update to Leopard 10.5.8 unless you want to keep Leopard. Upgrading to Snow Leopard requires that your purchase the retail install disk.
The following covers Leopard:
Some general advice on updating:
It is worth noting that it is an extreme rarity for updates to cause upsets to your system, as they have all been extensively beta-tested, but they may well reveal pre-existing ones, particularly those of which you may have been unaware. If you are actually aware of any glitches, make sure they are fixed before proceeding further.
So before you do anything else:
If you can, make a full backup first to an external hard disk. Ideally you should always have a bootable clone of your system that enables you to revert to the previous pre-update state.
Turn off sleep mode for both screen and hard disk.
Disconnect all peripherals except your keyboard and mouse.
1. Repair Permissions (in Disk Utility)
2. Verify the state of your hard disk using Disk Utility. If any faults are reported, restart from your install disk (holding down the C key), go to Disk Utility, and repair your startup disk. Restart again to get back to your startup disk.
At least you can now be reasonably certain that your system does not contain any obvious faults that might cause an update/upgrade to fail.
3. Download the correct version of the COMBO update from the Apple download site.
The Combo updater of Leopard 10.5.8 can be found here:
http://support.apple.com/downloads/Mac_OS_X_10_5_8_Combo_Update
If you prefer to download updates via Software Update in the Apple menu (which would ensure that the correct version for your Mac was being downloaded), it is not recommended to allow SU to install major (or even minor) updates automatically. Set Software Update to just download the updater without immediately installing it. There is always the possibility that the combined download and install (which can be a lengthy process) might be interrupted by a power outage or your cat walking across the keyboard, and an interrupted install will almost certainly cause havoc. Once it is downloaded, you can install at a time that suits you. You should make a backup copy of the updater on a CD in case you ever need a reinstall.
Full details about the 10.5.8 update here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3606
More information on using Software Updater here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24901?viewlocale=en_US
Using the Combo updater ensures that all system files changed since the original 10.5.0 are included, and any that may have been missed out or subsequently damaged will be repaired. The Delta updater, although a temptingly smaller download, only takes you from the previous version to the new one, i.e. for example from 10.5.7 to 10.5.8. Software Update will generally download the Delta updater only. The preferable Combo updater needs to be downloaded from Apple's download site.
Now proceed as follows:
4. Close all applications and turn off energy saving and screensaver.
5. Unplug all peripherals except your keyboard and mouse.
6. Install the update/upgrade. Do not under any circumstances interrupt this procedure. Do not do anything else on your computer while it is installing. Be patient.
7. When it ask for a restart to complete the installation, click restart. This can take longer than normal, there are probably thousands of files to overwrite and place in the correct location. Do nothing while this is going on.
8. Once your Mac is awake, repair permissions again, and you should be good to go!
If your Mac seems slightly sluggish or ‘different’, perform a second restart. It can’t hurt and is sometimes efficacious! In fact a second restart can be recommended.
9. Open a few of your most used applications and check that all is OK. In this connection please remember that not all manufacturers of third party applications and plug-ins, add-ons, haxies etc, will have had time to do any necessary rewrites to their software to make them compliant with the latest version of your operating system. Give them a week or two while you regularly check their websites for updates.
N.B. Do not attempt to install two different updates at the same time as each may have different routines and requirements. Follow the above recommendations for each update in turn.
Lastly, Apple's own article on the subject of Software Update may also be useful reading:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106695
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Input Managers from third parties can do as much harm as good. They use a security loophole to reach right into your applications' code and change that code as the application starts up. If you have installed an OS update and Safari is crashing, the very [i]first[/i] thing to do is clear out your InputManagers folders (both in your own Library and in the top-level /Library), log out and log back in, and try again.
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Most errors reported here after an update are due to an unrepaired or undetected inherent fault in the system, and/or a third party add-on.
Additional tips on software installation here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106692
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/Library/InputManagers
~/Library/InputManagers
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Solutions for troubleshooting installation, startup, and login issues in Mac OS X v10.5
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1541?viewlocale=en_US

Upgraded my macbook pro to mountain lion from snow leopard does this mean i can upgrade my imac as well for the same price? And will it mess it up?

upgraded my macbook pro to mountain lion from snow leopard does this mean i can upgrade my imac as well for the same price? And will it mess it up?

You can upgrade the iMac for no extra charge - sign into the App Store there, download and install 10.8.
I recommend that you make a backup (Time Machine is probably the easiest method) before you install, and make sure that you are not using any applications that are incomptible with 10.8 (eg Office 2004) - other than that, it should go smoothly.
Matt

Safari upgrade installed now getting message saying my OS X is too old. Can I re-load old Snow Leopard version 5.1 to fix the problem?

I have OS X 10.6.8. downloaded and installed upgrade for Safari. Now getting message saying application requires Mac OS 10.9 or later. Will a reload of the older Safari cure the problem or do I have to upgrade to the 10.9?

Carolyn Samit wrote:
An OS X upgrade is necessary. Apple no longer supports OS X v10.6 > Apple Kills Snow Leopard: OS X 10.6 No Longer Receives Security Updates
That article, like many others released back at that time in FEBRUARY, was based upon the inaccurate assumption that because Apple did not release a security patch at the same time it did for other versions of OS X, that it must have stopped updating Snow Leopard.
Informed members of this forum have pointed out that the security flaw patched back then was not present and hence no patch for Snow Leopard was needed.
Since that time Apple has continued to support Snow Leopard, including updates for Facetime for Snow Leopard. Yes, Safari for Snow Leopard has stopped updates past version 5 and an alternative browser should be used.

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Snow Leopard - Printer Issue, Really Need Suggestions

Yesterday I completed my upgrade to Snow Leopard. Had waited as long as I could, finally gave in. Now I'm having a problem with one printer and I'm at this point out of ideas and could use some suggestions.
This is for my small business, my office. I have two Airport Extreme's. One connects cable modem to my network (physically located in a distant part of my office), second is connected to my DSL modem via hub, and I have a hub line off of that Airport Extreme (located at my desk). I am also connecting my Ethernet 1 port to a hub (same hub that the below HP-4200n mentioned is connected to). I have multiple printers scattered throughout the office, all connected to the network through hubs. Up until yesterday I was able to print from my computer to any printer in the office with no problems, and has been that way for several years. Now that I've upgraded to Snow Leopard on my own computer I am no longer able to connect to or print to my HP-4200n which is located about two feet from my desk (printer is connected to a hub, and that hub is connected to the Airport Extreme at my desk). I am still able to print to all other printers. And I can go to other computers (one running Leopard and one running OS 9!), connected to the hub, and print to the HP-4200n with no problem from either of those.
Thus far (in addition to yanking on my hair) I have removed all my printers from the list (they were all there after the Snow Leopard upgrade), and have installed them one at a time. I've also removed all printers and the installed only the HP-4200n. I've been to the HP site which confirmed that the Snow Leopard disk contained all of the correct drivers, and the HP-4200 series is on the list. Just for the heck of it I also went ahead and installed a new release of HP drivers just to see if they'd released something (like the "my HP-4200 won't print driver fix"!), and that didn't change anything.
The only other "quirky" thing that I've noticed is that before, sitting at my computer I could print to any of the other printers and it didn't make a difference which Airport Extreme I was using....but now, I seem to have to use the one that is at my desk (that is the DSL feed, ano has a hub line off of that). If I'm on the other Airport Extreme, no connections.
That's where I am, and I'm out of ideas. I really don't want to have to disconnect the wiring from all the hubs as it took a bit to figure this all out and get it to work the first time. And since I haven't physically changed anything yet, and since I can print to the HP-4200n from the other computer....that seems to verify that all network connections are still good anyway. This seems to be something isolated and connected to the Snow Leopard upgrade.
I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions!

I still think that your best options are (1) revert to what your Mac was running before or (2) bite the bullet and unify your network.
Some questions:
1) You imply that the DSL modem is connected to a hub. If that modem is strictly a modem without any router functionality, unless it has some mojo going there should be a router between that modem and a hub. A hub shouldn't connect directly to a modem unless the modem can distribute multiple IP addresses.
2) I tried to map your network, but you gave just enough information to give me a headache without being able to complete the map.
3) It seems that your Mac Pro has two Ethernet ports and that you have one port connected to each network. I have no experience with how that might be made to work, but is it possible that at some point someone did some tweaking of the software on your Mac Pro and that installing Snow Leopard undid those tweaks?
4) I'm not sure what you mean by "it didn't make a difference which AirPort Extreme I was using". Does this suggest that you were somehow switching between them?

Has Snow Leopard made this so good, I don't have to do it?

Hi,
I have a MacBook Pro 2.66 running the latest FCPro and Snowie. I also have "Menu Meters" up in the menu bar. I've noticed when editing in FCPro 7 (7.01) and I render scenes, sometimes menu Meters (both of them) show 75 - 90% of the processors are busy working . . . rendering!
GOOD! That's what their supposed to do. But sometimes, and I can't find the pattern here . . . I'll render something and the processors are only working at 30%. I'm wondering . . . 'why don't you 2 work a little harder so this'll render faster?!!" I do have monimal programs running in the background, MAIL, maybe Preview, QT - that's it. Nothing major to distract the rendering "bosses"!
I have not played with QMaster on the MacBook Pro as I read somewhere that with "only" 2 processors, it won't do anything with a MacBook Pro.
So I guess my question is . . . why does the rendering processes frequently change so much- using more or less of my processors? Can QMaster (if I know how to set it up, which I don't really) "order" the rendering machine to work 'harder' and faster? (At the downside of multitasking slower, which I don't care about, because I'm not doing it anyway.)
OR . . . is Snowie very intelligent about my FCPro program and does Snowie "intelligently" automatically control the processors to run at their max and I should do nothing? I wish this were right, but then why do menu meters show such varied performance?
Lastly, I have a Mac Pro Tower 8 core 2.8 gig also. I've tried playing with Qmaster on that one - it's menu meters show the same "varied" performance levels - but nothing I do with Qmaster predictable effects its "use" or "control" of rendering or compressing - it seems Snowie just seems to most of the time keep them at 60% or higher. (But I really don't know what I'm doing . . . so I might be setting QMaster all wrong! I seem to lay off it now)
Is Snow Leopard doing such a good job controlling performance, I should keep my hands "OFF" and just let everything run automatically? It seems sometimes in compressor, while compressing . . . it runs all 8 cores at 75% or so much of the time - but sometimes not!
Some of the articles I're read on QMaster are dated before Snowie, so can I rely on those stories? Or have things change now.
Thanks - I always learn a lot from these chat boards, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondered about this. (I hope!)
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See:
*http://kb.mozillazine.org/Preferences_not_saved

An old macbook running 10.6.8 was restored using Time Machine then Snow Leopard was reinstalled and updated to 10.6.8. Now the machine is slow and repair disc permissions results in a cancelled by user message.

Our old macbook was getting a gray screen with flashing ? on bootup. Eventually I restored it using Time Machine then decided to reinstall Snow Leopard since it would not boot. Machine now boots but is slow. Ran repair disc and tried to run repair disc permissions but got a message that it was cancelled by user.
This machine is at least 6 years old and I just want to limp it along until I can afford to replace it in the spring.

You may be smelling it because with the new OS the processor is having to work harder causing it to get hotter then it would with the other OS. I can't say there is nothing wrong, but what could be happening is just that, it's getting hotter so the fan is spinning faster and moving more air so you are getting more of the smell then you would before. I would still continue to back it up, and take it to the Apple Store at a Genius Bar and have them look at it to make sure. Was the computer ever in a smoky environment??

Snow Leopard released this Friday (28th August)!!!

Ok, so it's finally here... who dares?! I'm tempted on my Macbook as I've got nothing to lose really, but I need to be sure that Logic 9 is still going to run as I do some mobile recording with it. I wonder if we'll also see a Logic 9.01 update to go with it? I'm very curious I must admit.
What will we need to be careful of? Interface drivers? 3rd party updates?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8218446.stm
Message was edited by: siderealxxx

Facts from my test during beta:
1- Logic won't come out in 64bit as the audio drivers are not 64 bit yet, neither are any of the available plugins. So forget that until the vendors follow.
2- Logic 8 and 9 on Snow Leopard runs very very fast, much faster than now, a joy to use.
3- A few of the plugin vendors I tested didn't play well under Snow Leopard, it's not fair for me to say which right now because they may have a fix coming after the release of SL.
4- The thing to be careful and mindful of is well... everything. Install Snow on a new partition, have it transfer your settings over from the partition you have Leopard on, and then reboot. You'll have everything working in no time, and you'll find out very quickly if things are OK or not.
Like I said, some plugs don't work. I can confirm what I know works:
UAD2, Liquid Mix and Apogee Symphony drivers. FXPansion BFD2 and DCAM. DUY plugs (all of them). Waves SSL 4000. iZotope Ozone, Trash, Spectrum and RX. Melodyne 3.2.x plugin and App.
Your mileage may vary, don't run it on a production system yet. Period.
R

How do I install snow leopard on a 2.1 ghz macbook with 10.5.8 Leopard installed? I have a 10.6.2 unstall disk. It says it can't install snow leopard on this computer.

How do I install Snow Leopard on my Macbook 2.1 ghz, with 10.5.8 Leopard installed?
I have the install disk for Snow Leopard 10.6.2, but when using it for installation, it
states that "Snow Leopard cannot be installed on this computer"!
I understand some features of iOS5 cannot be used unless my iMac and Macbook have
10.7 Lion installed. Correct?

It sounds like your Snow Leopard install disk is the disk that came with another model of Mac (grey lable with no pictures). If so, that's not legal and won't work. You need a retail (white label with the picture of a snow leopard) copy of the installer for each system that didn't come with Snow Leopard.
Regards.

I have a macbook pro 4,1 early 2008 model running on 10.6.8 snow leopard was wondering if upgrading to moutain lion will make my system run slow?

MBP 4,1 running 10.6.8 snowleopard and it runs great but i was wondering if upgrading to moutain lion will make run slower?

Lion is still available but you have to Call Apple to order it and then they send you a Redemtion Code to your Apple ID Email address that you use on the Mac App Store to download it.
But in all honesty even Lion is going to make your system run slower then it now does. Lion, like Mt Lion, uses more system resources then Snow Leopard. I can see the difference on my 2011 MBP with 8GBs of RAM and a fairly fast hard drive. Snow Leopard boots and runs faster then Lion and more so then Mt Lion.
What you need is a New or Newer MBP. If that is not an option then the only thing I can say is give Lion a try. That is AFTER you do a complete Time Machine Backup of your current Snow Leopard install just in case you need to go back.
By the way Apple replaced the Logic board in your system with the same Faulty NVidia chip install in it. Apple Never Updated the NVidia chip used on those logic boards. So odds are sometime in the future, Near or Far, that board will fail again.

Prints too dark since Snow Leopard was installed in my iMac

I have an iMac that is about six years old. It had Tiger and since I got Snow Leopard installed, the prints are not looking right. They certainly don't match what I see on the screen. I have an Epson R1900 and I was very pleased with it and my iMac before. I have Adobe Lightroom 1.4 and just got Lightroom 3. I have CS 3, but just downloaded the trial version of CS5 extended. I have tried upgrading the printer with Epson Common Updater for the R1900. That file is Epson 14284.dmg. It came out on 6//21/11. I also tried one that came out 10/28/09, which is 13523.dmg. In both cases I get a message saying system/library/extensions apple mobile device.kext installed improperly and can't be used. The version of my printer is 8.61. The OS version is 10.6.8.
I will call Epson tomorrow. I tried calling Apple twice now and both techs couldn't help.
Neil Evans

I had done exactly that. I have an Eye-One Display 2 and used it to determine what the brightness was. I had set it to 116. It was set at its brightest setting when I got it back from QuadStar, the local Apple repair shop. The latest prints are closer to what I had with Tiger OS. I still don't know why I got the Apple Mobile Device messages when I was downloading the two Epson updated drivers and the Apple Software Update. I'm thinking they were meaningless. My ITunes works OK. ??????
Thanks Hal for your help.
Neil

Does upgrading an late-model Xserve from Snow Leopard to Yosemite really require an intermediate Mountain Lion installation step?

I have an early-2009 model Xserve currently running Snow Leopard Server. I'd like to upgrade it to Yosemite or Mavericks. Reading the upgrade instructions, it looks like I have to upgrade to Mountain Lion first, and then Server! Is this true?
If so, where can I get Mountain Lion and Server?

You need to upgrade it to Yosemite and separately install the Server application. Mountain Lion isn't required.
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No iCloud on Snow Leopard? THIS IS A JOKE, APPLE!

Right now I'm thinking about leaving Apple products behind for good. So I can't use iCloud on Snow Leopard (which is not that old)? Meaning my syncing (contacts, bookmarks, calendars etc.) will just stop when they shut down MobileMe in 2012?
GREAT WAY TO DEAL WITH YOUR LOYAL CUSTOMERS, APPLE!
I can't update to Lion (various reasons). So now what? Dump the crap Macbook+iMac+iPhone in the toilet? Should be a great idea!
VERY PROFESSIONAL, CONGRATULATIONS!

Same here.
I own Lion. I uninstalled Lion. Because, I am suffering the problem of failing internet connection when waking from sleep - it's a very well discussed issue on these discussion forums. This means I am using a VERY expensive 27" iMac with Snow Leopard and no iCloud.
But you know the worst part?
My gaming machine is WINDOWS 7 64bit and it runs Apple's iCloud software install just fine ... go figure that one out! I can use iCloud on ANY Windows machine and NOT my 27" iMac ... regardless of whether people own Lion or not, if ANY Windows machine can use iCloud, I'm certain Snow Leopard users should as well. ANYWAY ...
PLEASE use this form, be polite, and request that they stop using iCloud to sell more copies of Lion (the only reason I can they are doing this) - and get them to release a Snow Leopard version:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/icloud.html
Discussing it here makes us feel better, but won't get the engineers moving. USE THE FORM!

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