SNP to PPDS order conversion

Hi,
I am trying to do small testing over PP run in SAP APO.
I have created everything manually in SAP APO(Product,location,No source of supply at Plant)
When running SNP at plant getting planned order without source of supply.Now i am trying to convert the same order into PPDS order using program(indicator is set).
Getting the below error:
"In-house production 188401198 is not valid for the conversion"
Any suggestion if this conversion is posible?
Thanks,
Krishna

Hi Krishna,
Yes you can create the order without source of supply by doing setting in Model/Planning Version Management /SAPAPO/MVM but you cant use that for conversion.
Go to SPRO---Supply Chain Planning----Production Planning and Detailed Scheduling (PP/DS)---Production Planning and Detailed Scheduling (PP/DS) here you will get the Heuristic Conversion SNP->PP/DS in that it is define Use SNP source of supply.
Regards,
R.Brahmankar

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Message was edited by: Naveen Srinivasa

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Edited by: Visu Venkat on Jul 30, 2008 3:14 PM

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