SOA Suite Components on JBoss - not possible?

Hi,
I am currently evaluating the Oracle SOA products for a new project.
We would like to use JBoss instead of OC4J and use Oracle BPEL Process Manager, Oracle ESB and Oracle Web Service Manager.
Running on OC4J is not possible, especially since Oracle will replace it with Weblogic in the next release.
What I have found are instructions for installing BPEL PM and the whole SOA Suite on JBoss.
These are VERY COMPLEX and CUMBERSOME (two patches have to be installed semi-manually) installations and I have not been able to make them work in my first attempt.
For ESB and WSM I have not seen any information at all.
We have not bought the products yet and I have to say that this is a very bad start in the evaluation of product quality and support quality.
Please clarify if Oracle's support for alternative application servers only exists in the data sheets or also in reality.
If we purchase the components, will we have access to other installables that run directly on JBoss?
If anyone has good experience with Oracle SOA on JBoss I'd be glad to know.
Kind Regards
Fabian

Fabian,
Oracle's support for other applications servers such as JBoss, Websphere, WebLogic, etc is more a sales story than something that people do in practice. Oracle doesn't want to lose a sale because a customer has a strategic alliance with a particular application server. So they support SOA Suite on the main competitors. Licensing is a dark art and I couldn't give you a 100% guarantee on how SOA Suite is sold but to get SOA Suite you need to license enterprise Application Server. SOA Suite is on top of this. If you turn it around if you buy SOA suite you get Oracle Application Server enterprise edition (includes OC4J) for free.
So if you are looking at using JBoss for a cost cutting exercise I don't believe the licensing at Oracle will help you.
The install for SOA Suite is the install for ESM + WSM, there is no separate install for these products for thrid party application servers. So you topology is not as flexible as it could be is you used Oracle Application Server.
Your proposed option of SOA Suite (ESB, WSM) is an option using the document provided in previous post.
When I say Oracle Application Server I mean Oracles existing Application Server, Not Web Logic. There is currently a progression of porting the OC4J apps to Weg Logic, this should be completed when 11g arrives. There are a few version release before this happens, each one providing more functionality.
If I was you I would understand the price of SOA Suite on JBoss as apposed to Oracle Application Server. If the price comes close then I would go with using the Oracle Application Server. If you want to use the ESB, I would go with Aqua Logic installed on WLS. Currently SOA Suite is not certified on the 10.3 release hence keep it on the Oracle Application Server. There will be a migration path to 11g next year.
cheers
James

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Fabian,
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