SOAP performance issue

Hi,
My problem is that the NE I am connecting to was exposing its interfaces as LDAP and now they are changing those interfaces as SOAP. We are getting a very high load and I feel that since LDAP is optimized for fast read-speeds, replacing the LDAP interfaces with Web Services would have performance implications since SOAP performs poorly compared to the LDAP because of transport inefficiencies & marshalling/unmarshalling overhead.
Although the NE team says that they will be able to give response withing the defined SLA time (around 1 sec) but the what they are not understanding is that even if they given response withing 1 sec, Web services invocation operations would also be expensive. Also overhead on our end (client) would also include extracting the SOAP envelope and parsing the XML by engine. Further, XML data cannot be optimized much for all cases.
Pls guide me if I am correct or wrong in my opinion.
Thanks
AA

If I get it right, LDAP ist just a protocol for calling a directory service. The backend, is performing with the same throughput independent of the type of protocol.
Our performance tests on our soa-servers showed, the total overhead, including network, logging, Application server stuff, xml parsing, is about 10%. We got this value testing with JMeter and logging statements inside of the code.
CPU, Memory (incl garbage collecting) and networktraffic were very, very good, we didn't except some of these results (~40 samples / second -> 3% CPU on a Sun T5120 machine), most overhead was from the backends.
I guess you're correct if you say, SOAP needs more ressources than LDAP, but this is less than you think (in my opinion, of course).
You definetly should do some performance tests and compare the results with the ldap variant.
regards
slowfly

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