Soft proof blurb profile

I want to soft proof with the Blurb ICC profile. In LR4.0 beta I can only select from attached printers or display profiles.
OS10.6.8, I have stored the Blurb profile in root/Library?ColorSync/Profiles.
In Photoshop the Blurb profile is an option, so that location works for Photoshop (version 12.1)

Austerberry wrote:
That does answr the question, but what I wanted to do was to soft proof the output of the Blurb printers.
You can’t for several reasons. One, LR only handles an RGB path and the output device here (an Indigo) is a CMYK device. You could soft proof in Photoshop which of course supports RGB and CMYK.
But the other issue is, the ICC profile Blurb provides is a generic one that does not describe all the print conditions (all possible paper and print behaviors) so even if LR could use the profile, the soft proof would be inaccurate and of little use.
Third, if any print provider demands output in say sRGB (which is what LR feeds to Blurb), then a user has no control over the actual conversion process (control of Rendering intent, pretty darn important, Black Point Compensation etc). So in such workflows, having a profile you can’t use, being forced to send sRGB is kind of pointless.
What can you do? Well until Blurb in this specific case provides CMYK profiles you can actually use for conversions for all their possible print processes, nothing. If they did, you could soft proof and convert in Photoshop. But until LR provides a CMYK path (don’t hold your breath), you can’t use the CMYK specific profiles even if they were available (which thay aren’t).

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