Soft Return in Text Tool

Hi all
I've recently upgraded to CS3 from CS1 (yeah, I'm always late to the party), and the transition has been a lot easier than I expected. However there's one thing driving me nuts!
When using the text tool in CS1, shift+enter would give you a new line within the existing paragraph (I believe it's called a soft return?), so it keeps the leading but doesn't add the "space after paragraph". In CS3 this doesn't work and it's really screwing with my ability to create decent web page mockups.
I've searched all around here and across the web and not found any answers - perhaps I'm using the wrong terminology?? Anyway - any ideas?
Thanks in anticipation! :)
Ben

Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to use John (and that's what I'm used to in CS1).
I'm on PS v10.0.1, if that helps anyone.
Just checked and it works in Illustrator 10.0.2...
In fact, I can copy the necessary text into Illustrator, do my soft returns, and then copy back into Photoshop and it's fine. It's a bit bloomin long-winded, but at least it's a workaround!!
I'd love to hear if anyone else has encountered this? I wonder if it's a bug?

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The problem is that unlike Quark, Adobe does not provide for a "soft return" or forced line break. Sure, you can type one from the keyboard with shift+return, and purists will argue that you'd never want to store a soft (discretionary) return in any type of tagged text or a content management system. However, all our text is set flush left, ragged right, and we frequently want to force line breaks for readability, and do so consistently.
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Your question is predicated on some false assumptions, and I'm afraid Peter, Peter, and Stix didn't quite pick that up in their replies. (This gives me pause since normally they're all very detail-oriented).
As I told you when you posted in the thread from 2009, "InDesign Tagged Text supports forced line breaks just fine."
You write:
Does Adobe plan to support Soft Returns in Tagged Text with some kind of special tag?
Adobe's import mechanism does indeed support soft returns. There's no need to speculate on Adobe's plans, which is the direction the other replies went to.
With that in mind, let's move to your actual question:
Our Pindar AgilityCMS content managment system flows text to an InDesign page using a special PlugIn.
Some characters are stored natively (store an "a", get an "a" on the page), while other special characters are stored using Tagged Text or Unicode. A return can be either <0x000D> or \u000D. This is especially useful because we can output through one of four "channels".... InDesign, Quark, HTML or as entered in the content manager. The return can now be \p in Quark or <BR> in HTML. A non-breaking space, for example, can be \u00A0 in the InDesign channel,   in HTML or <\!s> in Quark. When we insert the "special character" in the Data Editor of our content system, it might be displayed as [sp], but it will resolve correctly regardless of which channel we publish to.
I think you need to address this question to your support channel for Pindar AgilityCMS. Indeed, in IDTT <000A> represents a shift-return. Here's a screenshot of a test textframe:
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<ASCII-MAC>
<Version:7><FeatureSet:InDesign-Roman><ColorTable:=<Black:COLOR:CMYK:Process:0,0,0,1>>
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I presume you have tried <0x000A> as discussed in the prior thread.
I suppose it's remotely possible this is a Mac/PC issue, because the two operating systems do you different line break characters.
Anyhow, once again, your criticism of InDesign and Adobe is false and unfair. And if you have a problem with a 3rd party plugin, those are really the people you need to talk to.
Still, it might be wise to get it working with plain File > Place. Try testing my above IDTT file. Or exporting your own from a sample textframe like the one I used.

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So it does. It also drops it if you export in GB 18030. I would file a bug report:
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Hold on, I tried exporting tagged text and then bringing it back in. It's not dropping the forced line break. It's exporting it as a single Line Feed (hex 0a). And it interprets that as a forced line break when importing back in. My text editor ignores Line Feeds. I had to look at it in a hex editor to see the 0a.
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