Software Monitoring Issues
I just upgraded to Logic Pro 7.1.1, and I'm encountering the doubled sound on recording which I see others have had. This problem is new to me (I was using Logic 4.8.1 TDM/Mac OS 9.2.2, Beige G3).
I'm given to understand from other posts that this doubled sound is due to latency, and I see that if I use a small buffer size the doubling effect is reduced - but is there any way to completely eliminate the doubled sound? I don't understand why the signal isn't just delayed, rather than doubled.
Thanks for any and all help.
Thanks everyone for all the feedback. I have a two part follow-up which refers to more than one reply.
Matthew, when you speak of input objects, are you referring to audio objects in the audio layer of the environment whose channels are assigned to an input rather than a track? If not, where are these input objects located?
Justin and everyone, I gather that if I don't want to hear a doubled signal when recording vocals, the only way to do it is to monitor the vocal signal routed internally within the interface. If I'm wrong about this, please let me know.
I still don't understand why, if internal routing within my interface is disabled, I would be hearing two signals from Logic. I used Logic for years (my last version of Logic was 4.8.1, used with DAE) and I was able to monitor the signal from a record enabled track without any problem at all - I liked this method because I was able to quickly insert a reverb plug in for the vocalist, rather than doing a lot of patching from the interface.
Thanks again for everyone's feedback.
Tim
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When I am recording, I can not hear myself in the headphones. Please help.
Have you "software monitoring" checked in the audio preferences ?
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Input objects and software monitoring
Okay, my set up:
Macbook intel 1 gig RAM
Edirol FA-66
Lacie external drive for audio
The issue:
The edirol has a peak meter which is just a light that comes on when the signal is too high, however, Logic is still perfectly happy with it, which means I have been having to make a guestimate of when the edirol might peak when setting the record level before recording. You know the situation, you say "play as loud as you're going to play" and set the level, then they play louder during the recording (particularly difficult if your playing and recording yourself!)
Anyhow, I worked out to put extra gain on the input objects for my interface in the environment so that, with software monitoring on, the level on logic mirrors almost exactly my interface when it peaks. Great.
However, I don't always want software monitoring. I've managed to get the buffer size down to 128 now I'm using an external drive, but it still feels wrong even though the audible delay is miniscule. In any case I'm not interested in software monitoring, I've never needed or used it in the past and don't feel like starting now.
Is it possible to use the input objects, with the extra gain, for recording without software monitoring? I did some tests and found that I couldn't monitor directly and record with the extra gain whilst seeing the level meters.
Maybe I'm answering my own question...
Here's another thing, my edirol has 4 outs. Could I use two of them to monitor my recording signal directly, whilst using the other two to monitor logic (with software monitoring on) through a mixer should I need it on to use the extra gain (and maybe mute the tracks whilst recording)?
Sounds like extra hassle to me, but would love to know if anyone's tried this before I spend half a day trying it all out.Sorry for the lengthy post folks, but the good news is I solved it. It was obvious and I said it myself in my post - the mute button while recording and then no need for a mixer.
Anyway, it turned out it was useful to write it all down! -
I use a 1.83 GHz G5 iMac to run Logic Express. My mixing board is firewire and supports software monitoring, it's a MultiMix16 Firewire. My problem is with software monitoring.
Randomly, a few days ago, I began working on something and realized I wasn't hearing any audio from the program. Most normally, I'd be plugged into my headphone out or even main mix out, and I'd hear what I've recorded via the program. (All the tracks, etc.) Now, for whatever reason, I can still record with the board but don't hear any audio out except the live noise. Confusing, but I need help. I know I've got software monitoring enabled.
Is my mixer broken? Is it simply a setting issue in Logic express? HELP!
1.83 GHz G5 iMac, 1 GHz G4 Powerbook Mac OS X (10.4.10)Hello Bahamaboy,
Your problem is exactly my problem. I tried both Windows Xp and 7. I can see live video, but the utility only record for a few second and freeze. There is no tech support in my country - cambodia, so I'm in a more serious situation. I also need help. May be I should tried from a fresh windows installation, but what is it good for. It takes lot of time to reinstall everything. Your comments do suggest some software conflict. I think I will try it on my laptop rather than my desktop, which I do not have lot of software installed on my laptop.
(Mod note: Edited post for guideline compliance. Thanks!)
Message Edited by JOHNDOE_06 on 01-20-2010 08:35 AM -
Hello, I am getting a Kern Protection failure error message when trying to start up my Olympus DSS Player dictation software. I have been using the software without issue for years until last month. I have uninstalled and reinstalled the software and don't recall installing any new software before the issue began.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, I will post the error message below. Thanks.
Process:
DSS Player [186]
Path:
/Applications/DSS Player/DSS Player.app/Contents/MacOS/DSS Player
Identifier:
com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
Version:
7.4.0 (0.1)
Code Type:
X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [98]
Date/Time:
2013-11-23 11:44:03.999 +1100
OS Version:
Mac OS X 10.6.8 (10K549)
Report Version: 6
Interval Since Last Report:
209192 sec
Crashes Since Last Report:
4
Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 273602 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 4
Anonymous UUID:
EDE95D54-CA0A-4ABC-8241-167C27AAFC1D
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000007ff4005
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 com.OlympusSys.OlympusDSSFile
0x005e1fa3 DSSFile_GetDSSIndexMark + 1091
1 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
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2 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
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3 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
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4 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
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5 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
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6 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
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8 com.apple.AppKit
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9 com.apple.AppKit
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10 com.apple.AppKit
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11 com.apple.AppKit
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13 com.apple.AppKit
0x013d6dbc -[NSWindowController showWindow:] + 36
14 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
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15 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
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16 com.apple.Foundation
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17 com.apple.CoreFoundation
0x032bc42b __CFRunLoopDoSources0 + 1563
18 com.apple.CoreFoundation
0x032b9eef __CFRunLoopRun + 1071
19 com.apple.CoreFoundation
0x032b93c4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
20 com.apple.CoreFoundation
0x032b91f1 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 97
21 com.apple.HIToolbox
0x02537e04 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 392
22 com.apple.HIToolbox
0x02537af5 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 158
23 com.apple.HIToolbox
0x02537a3e BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 81
24 com.apple.AppKit
0x0118e595 _DPSNextEvent + 847
25 com.apple.AppKit
0x0118ddd6 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 156
26 com.apple.AppKit
0x011501f3 -[NSApplication run] + 821
27 com.apple.AppKit
0x01148289 NSApplicationMain + 574
28 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
0x0000257a _start + 216
29 com.olympus.DSSPlayerV7
0x000024a1 start + 41
Thread 1: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f44382 kevent + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f44a9c _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 215
2 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f43f59 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 163
3 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f43cfe _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 240
4 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f43781 _pthread_wqthread + 390
5 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f435c6 start_wqthread + 30
Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f43412 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f439a8 _pthread_wqthread + 941
2 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f435c6 start_wqthread + 30
Thread 3:
0 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f43412 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f439a8 _pthread_wqthread + 941
2 libSystem.B.dylib
0x00f435c6 start_wqthread + 30
Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x070a5400 ebx: 0x070a5c00 ecx: 0x001b4955 edx: 0x00000024
edi: 0x07ff400e esi: 0x00000000 ebp: 0xbfffdbc8 esp: 0xbfffdb60
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010217 eip: 0x005e1fa3 cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0x07ff4005
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BUG: Software monitoring and playback levels
Have you ever thought your headphone monitoring level jumped up or down, for no apparent reason ? I think I may have found out why... try this:
1) Turn ON Software Monitoring. Independent Monitoring Level can be on or off, it doesn't matter. Take an audio track with active regions on it, arm that track for recording, and press play. Move the record fader up and down--it will adjust the level of the playback audio. All is good. Move this fader down around -20dB, so you can hear the track, but it's quiet.
2) Now, stop the transport, turn OFF Software Monitoring, and press play again. The track's playback level has not changed, which is fine. Move the record fader up and down--it doesn't do anything. Would be nice if that fader controlled the playback volume, but that's more of a feature request. Here comes the real bug...
3) Take the track out of record, then put it back in record. Press play: BOOM!, your playback level on that track has now jumped to 0dB. And there's no way to change it--regardless of the level set by the record and play faders, you're now monitoring at 0dB.
4) Turn ON Software Monitoring, and everything goes back to normal--the playback volume jumps back to the setting of the record fader. Now, turn OFF Software Monitoring, and your monitoring level will stay where you just put it UNTIL you take the track out of record. Next time you re-arm the track, it will jump back to 0dB.
Very weird, eh ?
As best I can tell, when Software Monitoring is OFF, the only way to change your playback monitoring level (for a track armed for recording--using auto-punch, etc.) is to turn Software Monitoring ON, then back OFF again. That will set your level to whatever the fader is showing. But once you take the track out of record, the level resets back to 0dB.
Assuming this isn't some bizarre corruption of my system, maybe we could get Apple's attention to fix this ?
And I think there may also be a related bug where the live input monitoring level jumps (regardless of visible fader position) while Software Monitoring is ON, but I can't reproduce it. Just thinking I've experienced that from time to time, too, and it's such a similar problem to this one...
-Jamesjnashguitar wrote:
And I think there may also be a related bug where the live input monitoring level jumps (regardless of visible fader position) while Software Monitoring is ON, but I can't reproduce it. Just thinking I've experienced that from time to time, too, and it's such a similar problem to this one...
This happens to me on a fairly regular basis. In my case, the input volume is always LOWER than the fader position.
I will be, say, recording an electric guitar part. Software monitoring on (I monitor thru Logic). The fader is at 0dB, and the guitar on input is a bit loud in the mix, but good for overdubbing a part. After a few passes, the level on input, or even while in record, will drop a good 3 or 4 dB. Hit stop, hit play, and the playback volume is loud again. Go into record, and it drops... the fader was never touched.
This is isn't every time I record, but common enough to not surprise me... It's definitely a bug -
Trouble with color on Presario, No red tones on display. Not a monitor issue.
Am experiencing trouble with color on Presario, model no. CQ5500F. Purchased a couple of years ago, and trouble was present immediately. Am getting no red tones - red items appear black or sometimes blue. Was told by HP that it was a monitor issue, and let computer slide out of warranty. installed new monitor today and problem still exists. Is this merely a display adjustment of some kind? Or will I have to pay HP their $99 for a one time fix? Any suggestions appreciated.
Hello UncleBob62,
It could be the display driver that is not properly working
1. Click on the start icon
2. Right click on computer and go to properties
3. Select Device Manager
4. Expand display adapters and right click on the video card driver and uninstall
The computer screen will go blank
On the keyboard press the windows key the right arrow key twice and then the letter R.
At this point your computer is going to reboot. After the reboot Windows will install generic drivers for your video card. Do you still see a lack of red tones?
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Can only get sound when "software monitoring" is checked
Working my way through David Nahmani's logic pro 8 and express book. On the second lesson trying to record acoustic guitar. It says to turn off software monitoring under preferences > Audio so the computer isn't picking it up twice, but when I do I get no sound at all in my monitors or headphones. The channel strip still reads and lights up, it will even record, but don't hear it when I'm actually recording it. The guitar tuner only works when software monitoring is checked too.
I'm using logic express 8 my interface is a Presonus Firebox.Hi,
this advice applies to recording acoustic guitar with a mic and without headphones.
With an electric guitar, or while wearing headphones, software monitoring should be turned on.
Even better, since there's no latency, is hardware monitoring. Some audio interfaces have a knob to select between input and computer output.
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Embarrassed to ask - monitor issue
When I'm bouncing between recording with a mic and listening, how can I make the mic silent when I'm listening (besides unplugging it)? Is there an automatic feature so that the mic will only be hot when I have the 'record' button in red on the recording track?
So basic, but can't figure it through the manual.
Thanks!It depends on what gear you are using and how you are monitoring the mic signal.
If you are using software monitoring and monitoring it through Logic, it will only be "live" when a track is record-enabled.
If you are monitoring directly through the interface, then Logic has no control over the signal, and you must do it using the audio interface's features. -
Alright, so I have a 15" Macbook Pro with the dual graphics cards (GeForce 9600M GT and GeForce 9400M GT 256 version). It's the 2.66 intel processor one. Anyway, I've been trying to figure out this dual monitor issue that I've been having for a few days now. When I'm using the 9400M card and I plug into my mini displayport everything works just fine. This includes the VGA cord, the HDMI, as well as a standard Apple monitor. Now, when I switch over to the higher end graphics card, as soon as I plug into the mini displayport my screen goes black. And that's it. I can't do anything. I have to hold the power button down until the computer turns off.
I've been searching for days in order to find an answer to this question or if anyone has ever had a similar problem and no one could help me. I even went to the genius bar and no one could help either. Keep in mind I've tried this in a variety of ways. I've plugged the monitor in after the computer was running, I've had it plugged in while the computer was turning on, and each time after the initial boot up everything goes black.
To make matters worse, I originally came across this issue because I use Windows 7 on bootcamp and I wanted to use dual monitors within Windows. Bootcamp is only set to use the 9600M graphics card which is the one giving me all the heartache and apparently there's no way around it. If anyone has the slightest clue as to what's going on here or why it would be doing such a thing, let me know. Thanks.Jon: Thanks for answering those questions. Run the Apple Hardware Test that you'll find on one of the DVDs that came with your MBP. If any errors are reported, go back to the Genius Bar with the error codes reported by AHT and ask to have the machine repaired.
If you have extended AppleCare protection, you have a TechTool Deluxe CD/DVD. You can also use that to test your hardware. If it reports any errors, take the exact wording and error codes from that report along with you to the GB, too.
The problem is not with your three external displays or your cables, adapters, or your MBP's mini-Displayport, because they all work fine with the 9400M. The problem isn't some wrong contact that's being made momentarily as you insert the mini-Displayport plug into the port, because it occurs even when the cable is securely connected before starting up the computer. It seems to me the problem must reside either in your 9600M GT or in its connection to the mini-displayport. -
My company will not allow us to download iOS 7 due to software / security issues on our end. The problem is I need to download numbers but it says I need iOS 7. Is there any way to get an earlier update of numbers that's doesn't require ios7?
Thank you so much! It's updating now. I'm hoping that once the update is finished that it will sync like normal as well. Of course I'm still a bit confused/concerned about how it refused to update on it's own, but for now that's not a problem. Hopefully from now on there won't be any more problems.
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Graphics card issue or monitor issue?
Hello, i have a MacPro 2.66 w/ an ATI x1900 and a MacBookPro with th nVidia 8600
i recently purchased a 28" Hanns-g Display which i upgraded from my 20" apple cinema display, im curious if this could be a graphic issue or a monitor issue:
When i connect the 28" monitor to my ATI card (port 1) and boot into 10.4.10 (macPro) i noticed diagonal lines that seem to "scroll" (like an overscan line or something) on greyish and lighter backgrounds.
tried it with the second port, same thing, it does it on all resolutions
(it runs @ 1920x1200).
when i boot into XP and try the same sites i did in 10.4.10 it doesnt do it at all, its as it should.
I tried both VGA>DVI and HDMI>DVI to the ATI on OSX but it only does it with the HDMI>DVI connection under OSX, VGA looks fine.
(btw my ati card is clean as a whistle, no dust or anything)
However if i plug it into my MacBookPRo with hdmi>DVI it doesnt do that at all.
so im wondering probably incompatible monitor or what?
im looking to getting a 30" Apple Display but not if its gonna act up like that on my macpro, none of this appeared on my ACD 20".
any suggestions or tips?
thanks!im not experiencing scan line son my 30" ACD display under OSX or XP with my ATI, could be the monitor you are using, but if its not doing it with your MBP than.....idk
sonds strange, try another gfx card or another macpro if possible. -
Headphone mix / software monitoring question
I am making the transition from Cubase to Logic Pro X. I have set up a headphone mix in the time-honoured manner, sending a (summing stack) instrument arrangement to an aux channel that goes to outputs 3-4 and drives a separate headphone amp, in this case for the vocal talent. So far so good. But now when I enable software monitoring on the vocal track I get no input signal to the headphone mix. Presumably software monitoring in Logic folds back to outputs 1 and 2 by default, hence no signal to 3-4. Cubase has something called Control Room, whereby you can send any monitored input to any pair of outputs. How does this scenario work in Logic? If I use outputs other than 1-2 for a headphone mix, is software monitoring therefore not available? I know I can send a monitored input directly via my interface, but that gives a dry signal to the vocal talent - not ideal and the whole point of software monitoring. I don't have any external reverb so software reverb inserts are the only option.
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TerenceI am making the transition from Cubase to Logic Pro X. I have set up a headphone mix in the time-honoured manner, sending a (summing stack) instrument arrangement to an aux channel that goes to outputs 3-4 and drives a separate headphone amp, in this case for the vocal talent. So far so good. But now when I enable software monitoring on the vocal track I get no input signal to the headphone mix. Presumably software monitoring in Logic folds back to outputs 1 and 2 by default, hence no signal to 3-4. Cubase has something called Control Room, whereby you can send any monitored input to any pair of outputs. How does this scenario work in Logic? If I use outputs other than 1-2 for a headphone mix, is software monitoring therefore not available? I know I can send a monitored input directly via my interface, but that gives a dry signal to the vocal talent - not ideal and the whole point of software monitoring. I don't have any external reverb so software reverb inserts are the only option.
Sorry for the long ramble and hope this makes sense. Please let me know if I am missing something 101 in Logic. Thanks!
Terence -
I have a problem where I'm getting signal from my microphone, but ZERO software monitor output. Also, now I'm not getting any audio from anything in my composition. I've never had this problem before. I attempt to close Logic to start it over, but I have to force quit, and an error saying COREmidi error. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I'm running on an older version of Logic, but that shouldn't be a big deal to the point where I have no sound coming out of it.Okay, I just had the same problem and what fixed it for me was to switch the Mercury Playback Engine (or MPE) from GPU Acceleration to Software Only. (Project\Project Settings\General...)
I also updated Premiere to 5.5.2.
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