[SOLVED] dual booting windows 7 with btrfs on grub-bios -- core.img

I am trying to install arch in a dual boot configuration with an existing windows 7 partition. I have everything from the beginner's guide done but the bootloader. When I run grub-install it tells me that core.img is too big.
Some googling tells me that this is relatively common with btrfs, and it seems the only work around is to switch to gpt mode and use a grub bios partition. But the info I've seen indicates that I need to use MBR mode to dual boot windows.
Is it safe to do this with windows? Is there another workaround? Or will I have to settle for ext4?
Last edited by jorenko (2013-06-09 03:53:24)

Well there's your problem, your first partition starts at sector 63.  With recent versions of windows and fdisk (and every other partitioning tool I can think of off the top of my head) things now align themselves correctly.  Also because there is now GPT, the first partition typically starts later as the GPT partition table will typically sit between the MBR and the first partition. 
On a MBR partitioned system, grub2 will actually use the first 446 bytes like normal, but will then also use the space that is empty where GPT would sit.  This is why when you have a GPT partitioned system, it will require you to create a 1-2MB grub boot partition, as it needs somewhere else to put its bloat.  GPT actually still uses the MBR section, but simply creates one large partition covering the whole disk.  This is so that tools that are not GPT aware will not think that they have a whole free disk to use as they please.
For comparison, here is whe I get from fdisk:
# fdisk -l /dev/sda
sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[sudo] password for curtisshima:
WARNING: fdisk GPT support is currently new, and therefore in an experimental phase. Use at your own discretion.
Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes, 488397168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk label type: gpt
# Start End Size Type Name
1 2048 2099199 1G EFI System EFI System
2 2099200 252166798 119.2G Linux filesyste arch-btrfs-1
3 252168192 488397134 112.7G Linux filesyste arch-btrfs-3
Note that I do use GPT.  But that is not the point here. What I am trying to show is where my first partition starts.  This is also where fdisk will start partitions these days.  This is to ensure compatibility with 4k advanced format disks.
If you are not dead set on Grub2, you could try using syslinux.  I really like it much better, though if you are booting more than one Linux, you need to either employ chainloading to various partition boot records, or have a shared /boot.  Having a windows partition doens't really matter, as you are simply chainloading to that funky reserved partition anyway. 
The other option is to use grub-legacy, which can still be found in the AUR.  I actually liked the orginal Grub, as it provided a nice feature set, but was still configurable by hand and it actually fit into the MBR.

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