[SOLVED] Question About SSD Alignment (Do I Have to Reinstall?)

I purchased a Crucial M4 (256GB) and I put a lot of work into this install, it's set up really nice. But I came across the Arch Wiki and SSD alignment. I don't really understand what the article says, but I did add the noatime and discard flags as it suggested. What I don't understand in particular is if I have to wipe and reinstall Arch in order to use gdisk to align my partitions. I'd rather not reinstall if I don't have to.
Last edited by jlacroix (2011-11-11 18:11:25)

graysky wrote:
You installed and are running on the ssd now, right? I'm assuming you have an MBR setup? Post the output of:
# fdisk -l /dev/sdX # where X is your ssd
Disk /dev/sda: 256.1 GB, 256060514304 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31130 cylinders, total 500118192 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 63 208844 104391 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 208845 21189734 10490445 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda3 21189735 63135449 20972857+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda4 63135450 500103449 218484000 83 Linux

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Last edited by gromlok (2011-10-09 18:39:03)

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I installed e17-svn and e17-extra-svn from commouty repo,it's beautiful...and buggy.It creates several desktop icons for my partitions,i deleted that from Desktop and .e/e/fileman/favorites folder,but they appear again the next time i login.Firefox and thunar freeze many times as well,and the most unacceptable thing is that i can't logout,every time i try logout,the e17 hangs there forever and i have to restart x myself.I use kdm4 as the login manager,and i try slim as well,the problem remain.Anybody knows how to solve those problems?Thanks.
Last edited by ashunter (2008-08-24 22:15:34)

WTF, Something weird going on here. It used to be #pacman -S e-cvs and you got a perfectly useable e17 desktop. I just tried to #pacman -S e17-svn and it says no such package or group so there must be some changes goin' on as a #pacman -S e-cvs gets you nowhere now. Be patient, though--I say to myself
I'll bet pressh is on the job! Hmmm... I don't recall seeing any announcement about a big change in getting enlightenment in arch. Maybe I missed something?
Edit: I guess I did miss something. Searching the forums brings me this: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/E17 from a post in 2008-07-03 http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=51202
I'm beginning to feel like Rip Van Winkle
Edit: I just did a #pacman -Syu on my x86_64 machine and it asked if I wanted to replace e-cvs with e-svn stuff so I did and sofar no probs. Sorry ashunter, you might have other issues. I use gdm on my desktop and slim on my laptop and no probs logging in or shutting down here.
Last edited by bgc1954 (2008-08-23 16:26:10)

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