Sony Hard Drive Cameras
I was wondering if anybody has tryed or know if the new sony camears that have the built in hard drive will work with final cut?? I noticed that they all use USB and I know final cut uses firewire. Just curious in trying to purchase a new camera.
If you transfer the files to one of your Mac hard drives BEFORE editing, USB will be perfectly fine for that. FCP uses Firewire when working with media WHILE editing - the method used to get those media files to your hard drives doesn't really matter as long as the files are properly formatted.
Not knowing how Sony formats the files or what codec(s) they use would be my concern about the camera.
-DH
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Unexpected quit when trying to import from Sony hard drive camera
Hello,
My camcorder, Sony HDD SR-200 is listed on the support page as being able to import into iMovie, but whenever I try to import a substantial amount of footage directly into iMovie (connecting the camera, letting iMovie recognize the camera and have the import window pop up, select the clips, import to an event housed either on my hard drive or on an external drive) the process looks like it is working correctly, but at the end of the import I get an "unexpected quit" error message (I will attach the error log).
I have been able to successfully import footage from this camera by either using Visual Hub or VideoPier to convert the Mpeg2 footage to DV and then importing the DV into a new Event, OR by using the direct import function within iMovie 09 but only choosing a couple of clips (instead of an hour's worth of clips).
The error log is Greek to me, so any help would be appreciated!!
Process: iMovie [75045]
Path: /Applications/iMovie.app/Contents/MacOS/iMovie
Identifier: com.apple.iMovie8
Version: 8.0 (717)
Build Info: iMovieApp-7170000~52
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [69]
Date/Time: 2009-03-15 18:44:42.950 -0400
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.6 (9G55)
Report Version: 6
Exception Type: EXCBADACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: KERNINVALIDADDRESS at 0x00000000f3fffddf
Crashed Thread: 0
Application Specific Information:
dtcf dictionary OK
dtcf drawCache
dtcf
dtcf dictionary OK
dtcf drawCache
dtcf
dtcf dictionary OK
dtcf drawCache
dtcf
dtcf dictionary OK
dtcf drawCache
dtcf
dtcf dictionary OK
dtcf drawCache
dtcf
dtcf dictionary OK
dtcf drawCache
dtcf
dtcf dictionary OK
dtcf drawCache
RAD: all segments ingested
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0xffff0000 - 0xffff1780 libSystem.B.dylib ??? (???) /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylibIt seems I have to archive the footage inside fcpx into a folder first. Then import it from the folder back into fcpx. Next format the camera to delete all of the files.
I'm still very confused but as I learn more I'll post more info. -
Imovie with Sony Hard Drive Camera
Hi, I have a G5 20" 1.8 MHZ and I just got for Christmas a new Sony camcorder that works with a storage hard drive. The camera has a charge base and connectors that put the video out in USB 2.0 format. How do I get this into Imovie? It does not recognize anyting but firewire does it? Also is there a converter for firewire to USB mini b so I can run it direct?
Thanks
DavidHi fbcoache - you will need to convert the format from MPEG2 to DV. This can be accomplished using third party apps:
MPEG Streamclip (free)
http://www.squared5.com/
and maybe also needed - Apple's MPEG2 Playback Component ($20)
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/mpeg2/
Note that dv tape camcorders with firewire are by far the best for iMovie editing purposes. -
MPEG video from a Sony Hard Drive Camera and PPCS3
I asked the questions before buying from ADOBE. The answers were yes that the video would import and that the program would do all editing for HD video from all HD cameras.
Well anyone that has tried this knows it is a very false statement from ADOBE.
Any way where do I go to get a codex or a filter to be able to import MPEG video into PP cs3. I know I can put it into my Premiere Elements 3 and output a AVI file but I would like to cut down the steps and time have a class of 50 that will always cause that to be a problem.
Also how do I import AVCHD into ADOBE until they get moving and produce a patch for the program?Elecard promised beta version of AVCHD Plugin for Adobe Premiere to the end of the next week.
They told me, that it will come in one package with Converter Studio AVCHD Edition. -
I have just got 6 sony hard drive cameras, today we put the fist footage from the cam into fcp, but it won't have anything to do with hte sound, the videos are mpegs, why wont fcp take it with sound , I have had to go back to adobe prem pro
downlaod a free little bit of software called Mpeg Streamclip. Your cameras will probably shot .mod or .mp4 files you need to use streamclip to reencode them with the sequence settings that you want to use in fcp. (.mov)
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DVD from a Hard Drive Camera.
I wanted some feedback on YOUR best way to make a DVD from a Hard Drive Camera. I have the Sony 60 GB HandyCam. It's great. I have many programs to create a DVD and edit them. Some are Quicktime Pro with MPEG 2 converter to 4 then to Streamclip, CaptyDVD, VisualHub, ImageMixer.
When converting to StreamClip , for instance, which formate is best????
I have found that the QuickTime Pro/2 to 4 converter then into iDVD gives me the best results. Then right to iDVD.
The Visual Hub program is great but it gives me the letter box effect. I rather have the true 16x9 formate.
Any other ideas or programs out there YOU like?
Thanks in advance, Don
MacBook core 2 Duo Mac OS X (10.4.8) iMac G4 flat panelnow we put the cart before the horse ...
mpegs are not meant for editing, any further processing; mpegs are a delivery- and playback format...
if you like to do editing (adding titles, music, disolves etc), use a recording-device which supports a codec which is MEANT for editing.. as "dv", on miniDV ...
Streamclip support basic editing (e.g. erasing parts)...
and the loss of audio by using Quicktime for convertign mpegs is another cup of tea ...
nack to your Original Post:
Capty is best in terms of quality, because no triple-conversion is needed, as long as you "burn" videoDVD with Toast or Sizzle ..
Streamclip (+mpeg2 plug-in) is best in terms of "options" ( you can edit AND convert)
DVD2DV is best in terms of usability .. one-click-only
VisualHub is best in terms of flexibility (swiss army knife converter)
ffmpegX + Sizzle is best in terms of cost - free (iLife comes preinstalled)
... and DVD as recording media is NEVER the best, compared to any/most miniDV camcorders... less usabilty (= not supported by iLife, needs additional processes etc), less quality AFTER adding anything/editing/processing, ...
so, back to Square One - get a miniDV for movie making .. -
Hard drive cameras compatible with FCE 4?
I am comparing cameras for purchase for our video broadcast program. I like the idea of the hard-drive camera so we eliminate tape and all its aggravations.
However, I notice the hard drive cameras interface with USB. Can FCE import these files?
Thank you.
Chris Schwalm
Message was edited by: scwalminatorHi Chris
What tape brand are you using... to have bleed-through sounds like very poor quality tapestock.
I have never had a problem as you mention in the 8 years I have been using mini-dv tapes in dvcpro vt players, the only problem I have had is with JVC cassettes, snapping and needing to be spliced, here in South Africa we tend to use SONY/PANASONIC tapestock.
Really if you go back in the forum you will find a huge discussion about the pros/cons of hard-drive camera's vs minidv camera's.
With mini-dv you do not need the camera to edit from, in the case of hard-drive camera's the camera is out of duty for the length of the edit, with mini-dv the footage is separate from the camera.
If it was me, I would either argue for a bigger budget based on a number of factors. Final Cut Express is capable of dealing with AVCHD footage after it has been converted, if you do not like this then Final Cut Studio 2 which would cost the same as a Sony HVR A1.
Tape stock is much cheaper than camera's or P2 memory cards.
Something we use here is the FIRESTORE external hard drive that is attached to the camera and records footage at the same time as the camera records to tape. Very handy!!!!
That would solve the problem, you have instant access to the footage and an archive tape.
Justin... Durban... South Africa -
I recently had to buy a camera out of urgency as I was on vacation and mine broke and saw the Sony models that use a hard drive instead of tapes or dvd. I became quite interested in them but the lack of information regarding Imovie made go with another mini dv camera. I'm still interested in buying a hard drive camera so my question is, if and how to transfer the files from the camera to imovie. I understand but I'm not sure the movie files are in mpeg 2.
Mikerumors are not allowed here, but...
firewire connected devices allow iM to "share"/export processed projects - that is actual the ONLY way to store HiDef content in HiDefquality on some delivery media...
BluRay isn't natively supported (yet) by Apple, even ProMacs lack of a BluRay Superdrive II ...
and, usb2 connected devices need model-specific drivers.. the manufacturer don't support a standard protocol (yet), "drivers" are outside Apple's mantra "simple&convenient"...
so, as long as we don't have a delivery-media for HiDef, OR a harddrive-corder standard, I would say ..... :-/ ???
next keynote: 6th Jan '07 ....
and
Thanks for The Big Green One.. -
Sony hard drive camcorder and mac pro
i have a sony hard drive style camcorder that uses a usb to download to a computer.will the mac pro support this if i use windows on it or is the usb still going to be a hang up?no editing needed,just want to get the movies on my mac instead of a pc.are there any programs that will let me use the usb port?
.would i be able to make it work if i install the program that came with it on the windows side of the mac pro?
you mean, you have bootcamp/parallels/etc on your Mac and want to use a Windows app to handle your camera?.. well, no hands on with Windows nor Bootcamp here...
Windows is a system of many (too many for me... ) options...- which usually needs 'drivers' for any connection to the real world outside the computer.. I mostly doubt, that the usb2 port is supported by a video-edit-app in a Windows app... as mentioned above, the 'computer' has to recognize your device as a harddrive, incl. all the 'protocols' which are needed to 'speak with each other'.. (= all that is implemented in firewire... usb = no standards for that = 'individual drivers'...)
but, why no givin' it a try...?
next problem: you're using Windows to import from your device.. and then? Windows asks for a fat32 formatted drive.. which iM doesn't support ...
besides, there's a 3rd party app for Mac, which supports mpeg2 editing:
http://www.pixela-1.com/captympeg_editex/
summary:
iLife ≠ harddrive corders... -
Sony hard drive camcorder support
i have a sony hard drive style camcorder that uses a usb to download to a computer.will the mac pro support this if i use windows on it or is the usb still going to be a hang up?no editing needed,just want to get the movies on my mac instead of a pc.are there any programs that will let me use the usb port?
.would i be able to make it work if i install the program that came with it on the windows side of the mac pro?
you mean, you have bootcamp/parallels/etc on your Mac and want to use a Windows app to handle your camera?.. well, no hands on with Windows nor Bootcamp here...
Windows is a system of many (too many for me... ) options...- which usually needs 'drivers' for any connection to the real world outside the computer.. I mostly doubt, that the usb2 port is supported by a video-edit-app in a Windows app... as mentioned above, the 'computer' has to recognize your device as a harddrive, incl. all the 'protocols' which are needed to 'speak with each other'.. (= all that is implemented in firewire... usb = no standards for that = 'individual drivers'...)
but, why no givin' it a try...?
next problem: you're using Windows to import from your device.. and then? Windows asks for a fat32 formatted drive.. which iM doesn't support ...
besides, there's a 3rd party app for Mac, which supports mpeg2 editing:
http://www.pixela-1.com/captympeg_editex/
summary:
iLife ≠ harddrive corders... -
Hard drive cameras compatible with final cut express
What hard drive cameras are compatible with FCE,
I purchased an imac and much to my dismay my Sony dcr-sr200 doesn't work with it..
Thanks
JohnWhat format do you want to work in SD or HD? You should really ask questions about camera purchases on the video production forum. There are many factors involved here, only one of which is its compatibility with FCE.
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Logging and capturing from a hard drive camera
I recently bought a jvc hard drive camera. It saves the video to 2 files a .mod file and a .moi file and when I try to use these in FCP it does not recognize these file types. Any help would be appreciated.
Hi:
Has your camera a firewire port? To use Log and Capture you must use such port. What model is it?
Alberto -
Is there anyone out there using a JVC Hard Drive Camera and FCP. Would like to hear what you have to say about file types, conversion, etc. Was hoping for a quicker download, but converting is taking about as much time as download tape. Any suggestions?
I "might" be able to help.
I, too have a JVC hard drive camera. Not the same model as you, and not HD, but still the same idea. One big difference between our cameras is that your camera creates a "TOD" file, and mine creates an "MOD" file. The difference between the two may void my advice, but I doubt it.
I had similar problems converting to a file useable by FCP. I finally called JVC, and they told me to get "Capty MPEG Edit EX". I dropped the fifty bucks and it works great. A little slow, but it works. I still think it's better than capturing tape.
I HAVE learned though that buying a hard drive camera was somewhat of a mistake. By compressing the video to be saved on the drive, we've already lost something. My needs don't require super high quality 3 CCD video, so it really doesn't matter that much for me. I don't know about your needs.
Secondly, I've downloaded a free program called MPEG Streamclip. It works great. It's a little quicker than Capty and it was free. Also, I took one of my MOD files and changed it to TOD, and it opened just fine. Also, when exporting with MPEG Streamclip, if you choose "Export To Quicktime", use the default "Apple Motion JPEG A" setting and choose "unscaled" for your video and 100% quality on your sound, there is no need to render in FCP. BIG time saver for me. Now, somebody that knows way more about this than I do could probably flame me and say I'm "converting crap to crappier" or something, but it looks pretty good to me, and it works for what I'm doing. -
Flash Media Live Encoder and hard drive cameras
Does anyone have any idea how to get Flash Media Live Encoder to recognize a hard drive camera as a camera and not a hard drive????
I'm using an analog breakout box, that 'converts' the camera's Y/C signal and sends video instead of data thru the firewire. Then FMLE recognize the firewire input as a video source.
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Just got a Sony Hard Disk camera. It appears to be formatting the movie files in mpeg2. FCP will not allow me to import the files into the browser. Quick Time also gives me an error saying that the files are not recognizable. Any suggestions?
Sue:
If your camera just save video as MPEG2, you cannot use those files directly into FCP. You can use i.e. MPEG Streamclip to convert them to i.e. DV NTSC and import those files into FCP.
You didn't mention your camera model but probably it has only USB connection.
You must think about changing it for a camera with Firewire communication (as DV tape cameras) to get your footage directly into FCP without re-encoding.
Hope it helps !
Alberto
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