Sony NEX-5n Image Quality: Jaggies

Hi,
it occured to me that I see a pretty hefty amount of jagged edges in slanted lines with Sony NEX-5n .arw raw files. Not in all, but in several. Now, when I open or convert such raw files with the Sony Image Data Converter or with Apple Aperture, there are no jaggies.
In LR, even when setting sharpness from default 25% all the way down to 0%, a sort of jaggie pattern still can be observed, allthoug very very minor.
This leads me to the "hope" that the just introduced capability for Sony NEX-5n files in LR 3.5 was kind of rushed and in the next version a better demosaicing algorithm will be provided.
At least the way it is now the image quality for NEX-5n files not 100% there where it should be expected from LR.

Thank you for your response. Oh, I'm glad that for once it's "you have to view the images at 100%" and not "don't pixelpeep, it's the print that counts" ;-)
Why yes, of course, it's the 100% view where it's most visible and what I would only refer to when commenting on image quality issues regarding possible problems.
And while I certainly can't pinpoint it the fact that until now I only encountered this problem on some images in LR only and not when looking at or converting the very same raw file with another software as the above mentioned I'm pretty sure it's not the camera which delivered the artifacts in the first time.
I have 2 examples which I converted to Jpg and saved at 100%.
First a red deer. Look closely in the neck fur: can you see the jaggies? You can access the 100% view via the loupe or icon: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ihj4B27L6M5inWXt9yk5-w?feat=directlink
I have a comparison of a conversion between LR at default, LR at zero sharpening and the Sony Converter (which btw doesn't look that good to me, I prefer Aperture which I tested also and which also don't show Jaggies, regardless how high I set the sharpening into it). Also this image can and should be looked at 100% in Picasa: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/N58Xc0Ag7zBA_ymIvRDc2w?feat=directlink
The second example shows a cross bike. Look for the jaggies at the rear rim and seat stay area. Interestingly, those jaggies are clearly there but in the same time a little less pronounced then in LR itself.: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5vpwZ1cZ8hpTVodn3siGxA?feat=directlink

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3. When I go into the camera files using the import function in Premiere Pro, I find the individual .MTS files - which say they are Unix Executable files (no idea what that means), I can import them into PP, but the quality is atrocious. Grainy and pixely. Even when viewing them in full res playback mode.
4. I bought Bigasoft Total Video converter (wicked cool program). I import the files using PP, then go find them in this program, and convert them into .mov files - the quality is still atrocious (not surprised, as the .mts files look cruddy, what could I expect when I converted them - but was worth a try).
I need to capture these files in full quality (oh - the file information says they are in 1920 x 1080 (1.0), so it's not like I filmed in a low res.
The software that came with the camera is for PCs, I've searched for answers to these problems, and although I've found similar, I can't find anything that actually helps me. Can anyone out there tell me exactly what to do?!? I would be most appreciative. My new company's success depends on it!

If you'll type mts into the search field for these communities, you will see a plethora of threads on the subject - I was going to link to one, but there are so many, it'd be best for you to read through several. In any case, of note is the fact that you might be able to import into iMovie directly as long as you do not shoot in 50/60 fps - in order to be able to read it, it has to be either 30fps for NTSC or 24 for PAL.
Not sure if the frames per second problem has anything to do with your lousy quality problem, but it might. The other concern is that Sony has not and does not really play nice with anything Apple - that was one of the reasons I chose a Canon.

5D Mark II raw files image quality

Anyone out there using Aperture to convert their 5D2 raw files? I am trying to but I am having image quality problems. This is a surprise coming from Aperture, which for Sony raw files has produced stunning quality for me in the past. It leads me to believe that perhaps Aperture's 5D2 conversion setup needs work. Here is what I am seeing that I don't see from RAW Developer or Canon's Digital Photo Pro:
• Rainbow banding in specular highlights
• Webbing of tree branches, particularly against the sky.
• Not much "pixel level" contrast.
• Rather soft over all (I have good L lenses, tripod, and technique)
• Lackluster color requiring considerable post conversion work.
• The files tend to be rather fragile with tearing occurring easily if several rounds of sharpening need to be applied.
• More noise than one would expect, even at ISO 200.
• Highlights into quarter tones have a slick, almost smeared look (no NR applied in camera or Aperture).
Also, I really need to convert to 2x the native file size but I am limited by Aperture's current maximum size. So converting to 1.5x might be causing some of what I am seeing due to rounding errors, etc.
Can anyone (with direct experience) comment?
Thanks in advance.

Hi & thanks for your comments. I interpolated 8 images up (for store posters) to 1600mm x 200dpi and still got better results from CPP V Aperture - in SRGB. "Better" is subjective in this case. I will experiment further.
Yes I understand the principal behind having a flat - hence max detail raw. My first DSLR was a Kodak D200 13 Years ago - it's raws were flat & magenta - as were many cameras Raws in between time (such as the Fuji Fine Pix s2Pro) - the same principal applied to B & W film long slow dev time produced lower contrast neg = more range to work with.
To me the flat raws are a bit of step backward? The issue is - fast - workflow.
I found the Nikon D200 & 5D Mk 1 raws through aperture required very little work (if any) to get them ready for next stage of production. I just want to get images as "ready" as the 5D Mk I from my MkII - which is not the case at the moment.
Any idea how to carry the 5DII preset over & onto the raws in Aperture? That might help speed things up?
Cheers ADR

Photo image quality in iMovie

Hi ... I am attempting to create an iMovie that will include photos and video footage.
I read that the best presentation quality for the photos would be achieved creating a slideshow in iPhoto and exporting the slideshow, and importing the resulting Quicktime movie into iMovie. This would bypass issues created during the iMovie image rendoring process.
I just did a brief test run using the above steps. The image quality in the Qtime video was not very good.
Am I missing a step in here someplace?
The final show will be played on a large screen, so I am very concerned about image sharpness.
Thank you in advance.
Message was edited by: David Ris

I'm not sure what you mean by media folder, a folder of JPEG files is a media folder as is a folder of audio files.
More Info:
When dragging any folder of high quality photos to iMove it has to change it from stills to video. Apples and oranges; a conversion takes place. I just experimented by exporting iPhoto file of high resolution photos to QuickTime changed the QuickTime resolution from 640 x 480 to 1280 x 800 then imported it into iMovie. Then I exported iPhoto full resolution pictures to my desktop and then dragged them to the time line. These photos have text in the pictures. The original photos are 2581 x 1836 when I played the slide show from iMovie I could not tell the difference from the QuickTime movie that I placed in the time line and the full quality photos exported to a folder on my desktop then dragged to the same timeline as I did the QuickTime movie. However the QuickTime movie played independently in QuickTime was far superior to the QuickTime Movie played in iMovie on my computer. My monitor is set at 1680 x 1050.
Text in iMove will show Jaggies when viewed at close working range as I mentioned in an earlier post you must view iMovie at the proper viewing distance because your slides have been converted to video. Drag one of your slides to the desktop you will see that it becomes; example > Still 10.dv > in QuickTime format, no longer a JPEG file. Once you export your slide show to QuickTime you don't have the editing ease of moving your pictures position, changing slide duration, music etc.
For others to view your movies you will eventually have to burn your slide show in iDVD unless you are using your computer and a projector. An hour long iMovie can become a very large file about 10 GB but will play very nicely from a computer. Burn that movie to iDVD it will become about 1GB.
Dick

Imovie slideshow image quality problems

I have created a slideshow in imove with music of a wedding my wife and I shot. For some reason the image quality is really poor. I tried going through idvd and I tried exporting it as a quicktime movie and burning it with toast but they both look crappy on the tv when we watch them. Please help because I need to get it out to the clients.
I have done this once before and I did have some problems but somehow got the quality we wanted. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Wayne Sawyer

If some slides show a lot of "jaggies" the project may have been affected by a long-standing bug in iMovie that adds jaggies to photos when you share the project with iDVD. If we grant permission for iMovie to render the images when sending the project to iDVD, it messes them up pretty badly.
If that's what happened, you'll need to re-import those images to replace the badly-rendered clips.
Lots more here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2105598&#2105598
Karl

HDV image quality problems on capture

Hey gang! I just got my first tape shot on a Sony Z1U, and I'm trying to caputre with the M10U deck. My problem is that the footage looks fine in the camera, and looks the same when played from the deck (via component video) to two different monitors. When I capture, the image is remarkably different - darker, with muddy colors, lousy skin tones. I'm using the HDV 1080i easy setup, and I've recalibrated my cinema display to its default (calibrated was even worse!) I've also tried using HDVxDV to capture, and iMovie to see if there was something screwy with my capture settings. Any ideas?

The computer monitor is the LAST thing you want to use to judge your image quality. It will never give you a true representation of what your footage looks like:
Shane's Stock Answer #2:
ONLY JUDGE THE QUALITY OF YOUR MATERIAL ON AN EXTERNAL NTSC MONITOR, OR AT LEAST A TV.
1. Disable overlays on the canvas
2. Make sure you've rendered everything (no green bars at the top of the timeline
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=24787
DV (and especially HDV) footage requires large amounts of data and many computations. In order to maintain frame rate and be viewable at a normal size, only about one-fourth of the DV data is used in displaying the movie to the screen. However, the DV footage is still at full quality, and is best viewed thru a TV or NTSC monitor routed thru your camera or deck.
HOWEVER...that is the stock answer for DV, but helps explain why your quality looks bad. Unfortunately, HDV does not allow you to view your timeline in real time like DV does. HDV, being HD, requires an HD card and monitor solution:
Shane's Stock Answer #25 - HDV external Monitor Viewing
To view HDV on an external monitor you are going to need to purchase a capture card, like the ones Decklink or AJA offer. They will both play out HDV in real time. The catch is that you cannot view this on a regular TV or NTSC monitor. Since this is HD, an HD monitor will be needed.
HDV cannot be played out of FCP via Firewire because it's Long GOP structure is too taxing on your processors to spare the system resources needed to drive an external monitor.
(Wow, two Stock Answers in one post. I think this is a first.)

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