Sorting manually within film roll view

is there any way to sort my photos manually (move them around in prefered order) within the film roll view?
just started using the film roll view. and i love it, all exept that it will only sort by date and i can not move photos around with in the fill roll. only thing i've figured out is to change the date/time manually for each photo. that's a lot of extra work. any way around it?

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Welcome to the Apple Discussions. You can't sort manually within a roll. You can within Albums or in the entire library with Rolls tuned off.
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Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.

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I would love to be able to sort my photos by Film Roll. Right now you can -- well, sorta.
It only sorts them by the date of the film roll. I would like the option to sort by 1) Film Roll date, or 2) Film Roll name. This would allow me to sort my "rolls" in a grouping other than chronilogical, and many times I don't want to have to use albums (smart or otherwise) for a brief change in the display order (albums do have their place, but not always the best option).
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Yim:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. As far as I can determine the only sorting of rolls is by roll date, either ascending or descending. The date can be edited. I haven't figured out how iPhoto sorts multiple rolls with the same date. I've changed some dates on rolls to the same date and some end up on top and some at the bottom of those with the same date. It's not alphabetical. I think it has something to do with the modified date of the files.
You can post a feature request at http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html

Film ROLLS have vanished

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Problem with iphoto 6 NOT DISPLAYING FILM ROLLS WITH film roll titles

i was busy renaming film rolls in the library when for some unexplained reason, the film rolls disappeared & only one enlarged picture is in view for each film roll. I cannot see the thumbnail pics in each film roll. How do i restore how the library shows film rolls? i tried going to View/sortby/film rolls. Nothing changes. Please help
thanks TD for reply: the slider on lower right did help me see all my pictures BUT still cannot view list of individual film rolls with titles. any other ideas? Was in process of backing up film rolls on CD when the library changed: eliminating film roll view.
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i just kept trying different options with the view menu - restored film rolls with titles.

Why even have film rolls?

Does anyone else think that they are a bad idea? I don't see any advantage to them. They just seem to make more work and over complicate things... very un-apple-ish.
You HAVE to import all the pictures on your camera into one roll. Then, you have to make separate rolls.
Or if you want to put some of your new pictures in an old roll, you have to click and drag, which doesn't seem to work well at all. If you have a large library and you want to get to an early roll it scrolls impossibly fast, and you can never get to the roll you want. Also, it doesn't always scroll (at least for me).
Then you'll probably want to make albums out of your pictures, which is a whole separate step.
Why not just do it like (dare I say it?) the Windows wizard? Select the photos you want to import, give them a name and a folder (or album) to store them in, and be done with it. If you want to have the same photo in different folder/album, just copy and paste.
Is it just me, or does that seem to make a lot more sense?
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Hi.
Sure, Windows Wizard makes much more sense and is easier to use. Perhaps what you want is a file browser. There are many available. They let you simply store the photos on your hard drive, in your folders, how you want them. Easy.
With the film rolls, you only have to organize them once. Then place your new imports in the roll of your choice once, and be done with it.
You HAVE to import all the pictures on your camera into one roll. Then, you have to make separate rolls.
Not exactly. There are a few workflow options, and you may find one that works better for you. If you camera mounts as a drive on your desktop, you can bypass the iPhoto Import screen. Do File> Import to Library and you can navigate your camera's files, select only the ones you want, and import. If your camera doesn't mount on the desktop, use a card reader. Each import creates a separate film roll, so you could import in whatever arrangement you like. After the import, you can rename your roll to something descriptive that will help you locate your pictures later.
Or, use Image Capture (in your Applications folder) to upload the photos from your camera. [Image Capture's preferences determine which app opens when you connect your camera, so you can reset it if you like.] You can upload all, or choose some. Upload to a folder on your desktop, then use Finder to group into folders (for your rolls) and even rename the files if you like. Once uploaded, you can drag those folders (no subfolders, though) into the iPhoto window and they will be imported into separate rolls with those folder names. Or drag into the Source Pane, and albums will also be created with the folder names. Once copied into your iPhoto Library you can delete the original folders and files.
Then you'll probably want to make albums out of your pictures, which is a whole separate step.
That last part takes care of this.
Perhaps you are taking the term "film roll" too literally and creating extra work for yourself. With actual film, you may have had only 12 or 24 photos on one roll. With digital cameras, you might keep all photos from a 1GB card together on one roll. You can use the film roll comments to list the contents of the roll. Comments are visible when the rolls are closed in Film Roll view. I keep all my rolls closed to maximize iPhoto's launch speed. I only open the rolls I need to access.
Scrolling problems - YES, this seems to be a common experience. There are some ways to minimize them and work around them. Keeping rolls closed helps with this. More rolls fit on the screen, so it's more likely the roll you want is visible with the roll you are moving. If the target roll is still off-screen and you just can't get it selected, there is another technique. Select the photos you want to move and Command-click to select the roll you want them moved to (be sure this roll is open). Do File > Create New Roll and the photos will be combined. You'll have to redo the title, if you had renamed your roll before.
Why go through this, as opposed to the Wizard simplicity? Because iPhoto offers much more complex features than any file browser. iPhoto is not a file browser. It is a database application with non-destructive editing. You import a photo. iPhoto creates a thumbnail version, linked to your original, for efficient presentation of your library on screen. You edit, and it creates a full-sized copy, which you then modify. It keeps track of the edited version, linked to your original. Your thumbnail is also located and updated to match the edited version. If you ever wish to go back, you can always Revert to Original. The edited version will be deleted, and your thumbnail will again reflect the change. All before you can blink your eyes.
Then consider the Albums and Folders in your Source Pane. With a file browser, you'd have to duplicate your files to display them in more than one album (because album = folder). Copy and paste and be done with it, sure. But how many copies do you need on your hard drive? And how do you keep track of which ones have multiple copies and which ones don't? Things can get messy pretty fast, not to mention how much hard drive space is wasted on duplicates. With iPhoto's database, albums never create duplication; they are virtual arrangements which have no presence in your folder structure. The benefit - you can have a photo in 100 albums, with very little increase to the size of your library. Albums are an extra step, if you choose to use them. If this is inconvenient, you don't have to use them at all. But if you like the ability to create multiple groupings of the photos in your library, the ability is there.
Play with other search features, and iPhoto becomes very powerful indeed. Smart Albums can be created to compile photos based on many criteria, and they stay current with your library. With the calendar tool you can pull up photos from any year, month, and/or date with just a few clicks. Keywords can be used to include or eliminate (Option-click a keyword) groups of photos until you have just the grouping you want. [Ex: I can find all photos of my daughter, with my in laws, at a festival, NOT at Christmas, with animals....]
No one ever said iPhoto was intuitive. But if you like its features, learning the iPhoto way of doing things is a small price to pay.

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alessandra,
Welcome to the Apple Discussions.
First you must view your library in Film Roll view. The entire library must be active, without any filter in place. View > Film Rolls. Then click the little i icon in the lower left corner to open the Info Pane. Select an entire roll by clicking its header. With the roll selected, you can edit its info by typing directly in the Info Pane (not the roll header). You can edit the roll's title, date, and comments.
To create a new roll select at least one photo and do File > Create Film Roll.
Photos can be moved from one roll to another. Select the thumbnails you want to move and drag them to the roll you want them in - don't release until the roll header is highlighted.
To combine rolls, drag one roll's header into another.
If I missed something or you'd like further clarification please come on back.
Regards.

Manual organisation of photos within library / film rolls

I'm new to the world of apple (3 weeks). One aspect I'm enjoying is getting old negatives put on CD and then importing to iPhoto to store / email / use as desktop. But I can't organise the photos within each roll to re-arrange them in the order they were taken. When I go to "View - Sort by", the "manually" option is not highlighted and hence unusable. I just want to be able to drag and drop photos within the library / roll so they are in logical groups and in chronological order within those groups. There seems to be no guidance under "Help". Am I being stupid?
Any advice welcome.

Hi caliban,
I know exactly what you are talking about! No, you are not stupid.
First, the manual is only for Albums you create.
Rolls cannot be organized manually.
So the first thing you need to do is make your Albums.
To make a roll and album, highlight the title of the roll and go to File>new album from selection.
The album will now be in your source column.
Now that we have the albums, there is still a problem though.
If in your preferences you have "place most recent photos at the top" (which I do) you will have the last taken image in the album first . That is not what I want. (or you)
I want to view the photos in the rolls, albums in chronological order. But, I want the most recent rolls on top. Since we cannot change the rolls, that leaves us the option to change the album photo order.
You can set the album view to manual and drag the images where you want (pain in the ...)
I just saw this hint today, so go check it out.
Sort iPhoto album images by forward date
This is some info, including an applescript, to sort album images in an album in correct chronological order
Lori

My iPhoto screen previously showed thumbnails for each film roll. Now I only have individual pictures. I have lost my film roll categorization, though I have tried to sort by film roll. How do I get back to thumbnails within each film roll?

My iPhoto screen previously showed thumbnails for each film roll. Now I only have individual pictures. I have lost my film roll categorization, though I have tried to sort by film roll. How do I get back to thumbnails within each film roll?

what version of iPhto? Of the OS?
there is a thumbnial size slider in either the lower right hand or left hand corner of the iPhoto window - does sliding it resolve your issue?
LN

How do I sort photos the way I want them to appear within an Event? Sort Manually is always grayed out. SAR

Keep trying but sort manually stays grayed out. All I want to do is sort photos within one event the way I want them to appear.

It's like iTunes:
You can view an music album on iTunes and there are all the tracks. The hit single, the annoying filler that they stuck on, all there.
Or you can create a Playlist of just the singles, or tracks from various albums that work together well, or just your favourite tracks from different artists and so on.
In iPhoto: the Event has all the photos taken at that time. So, all 812 photos you took at the Wedding. All there.
An Album allows you to just use the 50 best ones, and possibly group them with 12 from the Rehearsal and five others from the day after. Just the best shots. Or bunch all the photos of the groom from birth to today, or all the photos of the bride and her dog. Or whatever. Really, the limit is your imagination.
Like Playlists in iTunes, images in an iPhoto album are simply referenced from the Library. So a photo can be in any number of albums and use no extra disk space.
Then, once you couple your imagination with metadata...
I use Events simply as big buckets of Photos: Spring 08, July - Nov 06 are typical Events in my Library. I use keywords and Smart Albums extensively. I title the pics broadly.
I keyword on a
Who
What
Where basis (The When is in the photos's Exif metadata). I also rate the pics on a 1 - 5 star basis.
Using this system I can find pretty much find any pic in my 50k library in a couple of seconds.
So, for example, I have a batch of pics titled 'Seattle 08' and a typical keywording might include: John, Anne, Landscape, mountain, trees, snow. With a rating included it's so very easy to find the best pics we took at Mount Rainier.
File -> New Smart Album
set it to 'All"
title contains Seattle
keyword is mountain
keyword is snow
rating is 5 stars
Or, want a chronological album of John from birth to today?
New Smart Album
Keyword is John
Set the View options to Sort By Date Ascending
Want only the best pics?
add Rating is greater than 4 stars
The best thing about this system is that it's dynamic. If I add 50 more pics of John to the Library tomorrow, as I keyword and rate them they are added to the Smart Album.
In the end, organisation is about finding the pics. The point is to make locating that pic or batch of pics findable fast. This system works for me.

Cannot View by Film Roll

I have been going through 5 years of photos updating titles keywords etc. All of a sudden, I cannot view by film roll. It is as if my entire library is one single film roll.
Have checked preferences and set view and sort to film roll. Nothing.
Any ideas?

Debra:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. When you selected that option did you have any photos selected? You can only get that option when you're in the main library and have one or more thumbnails selected. If you had all of the library selected then you'd end up with just one roll for the entire library.
A new folder is created in the originals folder, and the photos appear in my "last roll" - but the new film roll itself does not appear listed as a film roll. (the view by film roll option is grayed out)
Make sure you've clicked on the Library icon in the Source pane. The View Rolls option is not available unless you're in the main libary.
If you're only seeing 1 large image in the window check the slider at the bottom right of the iPhoto window and see if it's all the way to the right. If it is, move it back to where the thumbnails are smaller.
Go to the View menu and make sure that View Rolls is selected. If it is and you only have the new rolls that you created since the incident and one other, that's it. I don't know what you can do to regain your rolls.
One way to start reorganizing your photos would be to sort them by date and the as a first cut, create a new roll for each year. To do this deselect the view by roll and sort by date ascending. Be sure you have "Show Scrolling Information" selected in iPhoto's Preferences in the Appearance section. Then as you scroll down the month and year will be displayed. You can determine the start and end of each year, select them all and use the create roll for them and title it for that year. After each year is completed you might subdivide it further my month for each year. That would at least give you some smaller organizational units.
So you might still have your rolls. You just have to get back to the main library, reduce the size of the thumbnail with the slider and go from there.
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Can't view film rolls

Recently all of my film rolls "went away." When I open iPhoto, and have selected my library, all I get is one large photo. When I double click on that photo, it actually reduces and then shows a row of thumbnails at the top. I have tried View>Film Rolls, sorting by film rolls, rebuilding my library.... No success. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks!! Oh - and it was working fine before but this just happened a day or two ago.

Hi jazzyjasi,
Take a look at the slider on the bottom right hand corner of the iPhoto window.
Move the slider bar to the left to make the photo thumbnail smaller and to show all the other thumbnails.
I think that is your problem.

"View Film Rolls" is not Highlighted.... how can I get to it? (iPhoto 6)

"View Film Rolls" is not Highlighted.... how can I get to it? (iPhoto 6)

Since you're using the term Rolls you must be running iPhoto 6 or earlier. For future problems be sure you post in the iPhoto 6 or forum.
For this problem the View File rolls will only Be sure you're clicked on the Library. That menu item is not available in an album or other item. If you have clicked the library icon first and it's still grayed out close iPhoto, delete the iPhoto preference file, com.apple.iPhoto.plist, that resides in your User/Library/Preferences folder and then try again.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 6 and 7 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. Just put the application in the Dock and click on it whenever you want to backup the dB file. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.
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Sort by film roll in iPhoto 8

Come across an interesting problem.
A friend has a digital camera that resets the time and date every time the battery is charged, and not surprisingly after a while no longer bothers to re-enter the details, hence the date is always sometime in year 2000.
This has never been a problem as iPhoto sorted the pictures by film roll, so there was always a semblance of order. I must add that the original titles of the image number have been changed to descriptive picture titles.
I have just helped them to import their picture library onto the shiny new MBP, 10.5.5, iPhoto 8 (having told them how fantastic events is) and it has turned into a can of worms. All the images are now sorted by date order which means they are all over the place, and arrange by filmroll is no longer one of the options.
Anyone any ideas? Is there any way to get import pictures from iphoto 6 without it reformatting for events, or can i get iPhoto 8 to sort by iPhoto 6 filmrolls?
Thanks

Yeah the iPhoto 6 library is still on their old laptop, so that could work.
Do you know whether importing into iPhoto 8 would then keep that same film roll order, with over 6,000 pictures they are quite keen to keep a semblance of continuity.
You do NOT import the library
You must use iPhoto 6 on the laptop and rename any rolls - any roll that uses the default name of rollxxx will come across as an unnamed roll and it gets very confusing in iphoto '08 - once you have an iPhoto 6 library with no default named rolls in it quit iPhoto on both systems and drag the iPhoto library on the new computer to the trash and then drag the iPhoto 6 library from the laptop to the pictures folder on the new computer and launch iPhoto there - this will convert the library and keep the iPhoto 6 roll structure
The event order may be an issue since it is time based - there is a command under the photos menu to batch change date and time so you can use iPhoto '08 to restore the desired date structure
LN

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