Sorting problems - using Film Rolls

I prefer to organize by library using Film rolls. Is there a way to sort the photos by title once they are within a film roll? They seem to be thrown in there without any sort of order i can comprehend. If I cannot control this any further, can someone tell me how the photos are being sorted in each roll?
Thank you for your help!!

I believe they are sorted by date shot if imported from a camera. If imported from a scanned image, the date used is the date the image was scanned.

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Sorting manually within film roll view

is there any way to sort my photos manually (move them around in prefered order) within the film roll view?
just started using the film roll view. and i love it, all exept that it will only sort by date and i can not move photos around with in the fill roll. only thing i've figured out is to change the date/time manually for each photo. that's a lot of extra work. any way around it?

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Welcome to the Apple Discussions. You can't sort manually within a roll. You can within Albums or in the entire library with Rolls tuned off.
NOTE: It's not wise to use your email address either as your alias or placed in any post. Spammers sweep thru forums like this to harvest any email addresses to use. Since you only have a couple of posts I suggest you create a new account with a different alias and let this one die on the vine. You cannot change the alias of an account. The software isn't setup for it.
Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.

Possible to not use film rolls?

I don't have many pictures, and have about as many film rolls as pictures! I want all my iphoto library to be stored in one location (i know I can create a new film roll and place all pics there), BUT, I also want all future imported pics to simply drop into the same file. How do I accomplish this?

But when I go to upload them to say a website or dropbox, i have to go in and out of the rolls to find the pic i want
No you don't. In fact you should never enter the iPhoto Library Folder. There are no user serviceable parts there. Just use one of the many ways that iPhoto supplies to access the files. All of them are a: faster and b: safer than rooting around in the folders.
There are many, many ways to access your files in iPhoto:
*For Users of 10.5 and later*
You can use any Open / Attach / Browse dialogue. On the left there's a Media heading, your pics can be accessed there. Command-Click for selecting multiple pics.
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You can access the Library from the New Message Window in Mail:
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*For users of 10.4 and later* ...
Many internet sites such as Flickr and SmugMug have plug-ins for accessing the iPhoto Library. If the site you want to use doesn’t then some, one or any of these will also work:
To upload to a site that does not have an iPhoto Export Plug-in the recommended way is to Select the Pic in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export and export the pic to the desktop, then upload from there. After the upload you can trash the pic on the desktop. It's only a copy and your original is safe in iPhoto.
This is also true for emailing with Web-based services. However, if you're using Gmail you can use iPhoto2GMail
If you use Apple's Mail, Entourage, AOL or Eudora you can email from within iPhoto.
If you use a Cocoa-based Browser such as Safari, you can drag the pics from the iPhoto Window to the Attach window in the browser.
*If you want to access the files with iPhoto not running*:
For users of 10.6 and later:
You can download a free Services component from MacOSXAutomation which will give you access to the iPhoto Library from your Services Menu. Using the Services Preference Pane you can even create a keyboard shortcut for it.
For Users of 10.4 and later:
Create a Media Browser using Automator (takes about 10 seconds) or use this free utility Karelia iMedia Browser
Other options include:
1. *Drag and Drop*: Drag a photo from the iPhoto Window to the desktop, there iPhoto will make a full-sized copy of the pic.
2. *File -> Export*: Select the files in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export. The dialogue will give you various options, including altering the format, naming the files and changing the size. Again, producing a copy.
3. *Show File*: Right- (or Control-) Click on a pic and in the resulting dialogue choose 'Show File'. A Finder window will pop open with the file already selected.
Regards
TD

Film Roll - sort option

I would love to be able to sort my photos by Film Roll. Right now you can -- well, sorta.
It only sorts them by the date of the film roll. I would like the option to sort by 1) Film Roll date, or 2) Film Roll name. This would allow me to sort my "rolls" in a grouping other than chronilogical, and many times I don't want to have to use albums (smart or otherwise) for a brief change in the display order (albums do have their place, but not always the best option).
Any thoughts from others on here?

Yim:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. As far as I can determine the only sorting of rolls is by roll date, either ascending or descending. The date can be edited. I haven't figured out how iPhoto sorts multiple rolls with the same date. I've changed some dates on rolls to the same date and some end up on top and some at the bottom of those with the same date. It's not alphabetical. I think it has something to do with the modified date of the files.
You can post a feature request at http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html

Film ROLLS have vanished

I am using iphoto 6. Normally each set of new of pix I upload would sit in its own roll but a few days ago all the rolls spontaneously vanished except for one (roll 60) I don't think I have lost any photos (over 1000 of them) but they are all now sitting in "roll 60" in a complete jumble. I have of course tried going to: view> film rolls and also view>sort photos> by film rolls. but with no success ...Any ideas anyone??
Thanks in advance, Mark

I am using iphoto 6. Normally each set of new of pix I upload would sit in its own roll but a few days ago all the rolls spontaneously vanished except for one (roll 60) I don't think I have lost any photos (over 1000 of them) but they are all now sitting in "roll 60" in a complete jumble. I have of course tried going to: view> film rolls and also view>sort photos> by film rolls. but with no success ...Any ideas anyone??
Thanks in advance, Mark

Help moving iPhoto 6 Film Rolls to iPhoto 11

Hi,
So I'm trying to get my new MacBookPro up and running with all my previous iPhoto images. However it's not so simple as I would have hoped... my scenario is as follows:
I have an old MacBookPro (6years old) running iPhoto6 with all my existing photos organised in Film Rolls.
I have a new MacBookPro running iPhoto11, which I would like to move all my photos over to.
I have copied the old 'iPhoto Library' folder onto my new laptop into my Pictures folder, and then opened iPhoto. It converted the iPhoto Library to be compatible with iPhoto 11, but didn't find any new photos. After some searching, I found out that opening with cmd-option gave me a few options. I have tired 'Repair Database' option, and it then found my photos (all) but refused to import about 10k saying they were not compatible (?).
So I now have a large number of my photos in the new version of iPhoto. But I would
(a) like to have all of them imported, and
(b) like to have them imported in albums/rolls or some order (rather than effectively a singular large collection) given that I have about 10 years of photos and numerous rolls from various shoots.
Please can anyone help me? Is there some software that I can use to import the photos from an iPhoto 6 Library into iPhoto 11? I am dismayed that Apple appear to have left me in a complete and utter mess with this!
I simply want to be able to view my photos in iPhoto 11 in an ordered fashion, based on the order I had created in iPhoto 6 using Film Rolls.
Thanks,
Robert

Try this:
1 - copy the iPhoto Library from the old MBP again and place in the Pictures frolder.
2 - download and apply the iPhoto Library Upgrader 1.0.
3 - launch iPhoto 11, select the library and let it update it again.
OT

Sort by film roll in iPhoto 8

Come across an interesting problem.
A friend has a digital camera that resets the time and date every time the battery is charged, and not surprisingly after a while no longer bothers to re-enter the details, hence the date is always sometime in year 2000.
This has never been a problem as iPhoto sorted the pictures by film roll, so there was always a semblance of order. I must add that the original titles of the image number have been changed to descriptive picture titles.
I have just helped them to import their picture library onto the shiny new MBP, 10.5.5, iPhoto 8 (having told them how fantastic events is) and it has turned into a can of worms. All the images are now sorted by date order which means they are all over the place, and arrange by filmroll is no longer one of the options.
Anyone any ideas? Is there any way to get import pictures from iphoto 6 without it reformatting for events, or can i get iPhoto 8 to sort by iPhoto 6 filmrolls?
Thanks

Yeah the iPhoto 6 library is still on their old laptop, so that could work.
Do you know whether importing into iPhoto 8 would then keep that same film roll order, with over 6,000 pictures they are quite keen to keep a semblance of continuity.
You do NOT import the library
You must use iPhoto 6 on the laptop and rename any rolls - any roll that uses the default name of rollxxx will come across as an unnamed roll and it gets very confusing in iphoto '08 - once you have an iPhoto 6 library with no default named rolls in it quit iPhoto on both systems and drag the iPhoto library on the new computer to the trash and then drag the iPhoto 6 library from the laptop to the pictures folder on the new computer and launch iPhoto there - this will convert the library and keep the iPhoto 6 roll structure
The event order may be an issue since it is time based - there is a command under the photos menu to batch change date and time so you can use iPhoto '08 to restore the desired date structure
LN

'Film Rolls' View loses sort order when finding photos via Keywords or text

I have my iPhoto Library sorted by Film Roll so when I select 'Library' in the source list I see my rolls listed in date order in the viewing area.
If I try and find photos using the keywords pane or the search field the rolls which match are displayed in the viewing area but the order they are listed is no longer according to their date but some (seemingly) random order.
Does anyone else have this problem?

I find that if I have my rolls sorted by Film roll and Ascending (by roll date) the keyword search results will have the rolls in the correct chronological order.
However if I change the sort order to Descending , the search order remains as Ascending by roll date.
If you create a Smart album for a keyword search then you can sort the photos by any criteria you'd like: Date, Keyword (redundant), Rating or Title and Ascending or Descending.
Do you Twango?

Date of film roll is weird when using the camera connector

I use my 60GB iPod Video also as backup disk for photos when shooting abroad. Everything works fine except one thing: althoug the date/time of camera, iPod and Mac Mini is set properly, the imported film roll shows in iPhoto always the same date/time: 2001-01-01, 00:00. The date/time of the photos is - weird enough - ok.
I can correct that manually but it seems to be a bug. Is there a workaround to fix that?

Okay I just solved the problem myself..
For anyone that may have the same issue:
The microphone used when recording video, is the little dot next to the jack on top of the iPhone 4S (maybe also iPhone 4, don't know). There was some dirt in this tiny little hole, and I simply just removed it with a very thin needle, and now it works great!

My iPhoto screen previously showed thumbnails for each film roll. Now I only have individual pictures. I have lost my film roll categorization, though I have tried to sort by film roll. How do I get back to thumbnails within each film roll?

My iPhoto screen previously showed thumbnails for each film roll. Now I only have individual pictures. I have lost my film roll categorization, though I have tried to sort by film roll. How do I get back to thumbnails within each film roll?

what version of iPhto? Of the OS?
there is a thumbnial size slider in either the lower right hand or left hand corner of the iPhoto window - does sliding it resolve your issue?
LN

Iphoto slow problem - photos are organised in folders not film rolls

I'm suffering from the iphoto slow problem and have been trying to find a way to stop iphoto from loading all the photos every time.
My photos are arranged in folders, so I don't seem to have the option to stop the photos being loaded by film roll.
Does anyone have any other ideas ?

I'm not sure what that means. Whether you have albums or not, iPhoto still considers a single import batch as a roll. If the rolls are not collapsed, then everytime you launch iPhoto, it assumes you want to be able to see your entire library, and it goes about the job of making all the thumbnails available.

Problem with iphoto 6 NOT DISPLAYING FILM ROLLS WITH film roll titles

i was busy renaming film rolls in the library when for some unexplained reason, the film rolls disappeared & only one enlarged picture is in view for each film roll. I cannot see the thumbnail pics in each film roll. How do i restore how the library shows film rolls? i tried going to View/sortby/film rolls. Nothing changes. Please help
thanks TD for reply: the slider on lower right did help me see all my pictures BUT still cannot view list of individual film rolls with titles. any other ideas? Was in process of backing up film rolls on CD when the library changed: eliminating film roll view.
G4 Mac OS X (10.3.x) 10.3.9

i just kept trying different options with the view menu - restored film rolls with titles.

Film rolls are missing

One of my iPhoto libraries has film rolls missing and rebuilding thumbs and database did not help. I can see the original photos in the iPhoto library on the hard drive though, so I would not want to reimport. Is there a way to show the film rolls again without re-importing?
Thanks,

Since the original photos are still in the iPhoto
library, (even if I drag the folder to the desktop),
how do I avoid having a second set of the same photos
when I re-import them into that iPhoto library? Can I
select Preferences-Advanced and tick NOT import
photos into iPhoto library? In this way, it will give
me an alias pointing back to the existing library,
give me my film rolls back, but no dupes?
After dragging to the desktop it is necessary to go in iPhoto and delete the remains from there. I was going on the assumption (correct me if I am wrong) that the photos from the missing rolls have either thumbnails or empty boxes in the iPhoto window. Delete them in iPhoto, then empty iPhoto trash before you reimport. Otherwise, iPhoto won't recreate their thumbnails and the reimport will not work.
I don't believe that creating an alias will help, because it won't fix the link that has been broken. Plus, it will add more confusion to your library.
Thank you all for your help. Thing is that I
understand that they will have to be re-imported if
the rolls are missing, but WHY are the rolls missing?
I don't know. It usually results from user activity in the iPhoto library folder from within Finder. The simple act of renaming a roll's folder in Finder will cause iPhoto to be unable to access all of the files stores inside that roll. If you haven't done that, then it's a mystery. [I had gremlins that rearranged my files during my upgrade from iPhoto 5 to iPhoto 6. Modified files traded places with Originals, some files were missing from Originals but present in Modified-it was weird. I used this method to sort everything out and haven't had a problem since the upgrade.]
I use iPhoto Buddy to select my iPhoto libraries (I
have about 10 libraries) and one of those libraries
was corrupted (due to overloaded photobook I think),
but the iPhoto library in question, that I was not
using, has film rolls missing when I opened the
library. (I'm afraid this is going to get contagious
and affect my other iphoto libraries too!)
I haven't seen other reports of iPhoto Buddy breaking connections like this, but I don't use it so I can't really speculate. I would expect to see lots of complaints if this happened very frequently at all.
For the future, keep a current backup of the Library6.iPhoto file for each of your libraries. It is located inside the iPhoto library folder; Duplicate it in Finder and move the copy. This is the database file which contains the metadata about albums, rolls, keywords, etc. If your database fails in the future you can simply replace this file with the backup to restore your library. I take this advice from Old Toad and backup the file every time I close iPhoto.

"View Film Rolls" is not Highlighted.... how can I get to it? (iPhoto 6)

"View Film Rolls" is not Highlighted.... how can I get to it? (iPhoto 6)

Since you're using the term Rolls you must be running iPhoto 6 or earlier. For future problems be sure you post in the iPhoto 6 or forum.
For this problem the View File rolls will only Be sure you're clicked on the Library. That menu item is not available in an album or other item. If you have clicked the library icon first and it's still grayed out close iPhoto, delete the iPhoto preference file, com.apple.iPhoto.plist, that resides in your User/Library/Preferences folder and then try again.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 6 and 7 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. Just put the application in the Dock and click on it whenever you want to backup the dB file. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.
Note: There's now an Automator backup application for iPhoto 5 that will work with Tiger or Leopard.

Some film rolls are named "originals" - why?

I'm still a fairly new user of Macs as well as anything like iPhoto. For quite some time, I only imported my photos into iPhoto for fear of breaking something.
Well, I'm getting over that fear, and I have noticed that some of my film rolls have a name of "orignals", but some (which do have edited photos in them) don't have that name.
This might be due to some photos possibly being imported more than once (again, possibly from concerns to be certain I could back up my photos), but I'm not 100% certain of that. Is it possible to either get rid of these rolls (but not delete the photos), or to completely rebuild my iPhoto library, without loosing the edits, and metadata I've already configured?
Mac mini 1.25/512 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hi Lew,
At one time you probably used the "add to library" and pointed to another iPhoto Library folder to import.
If you did that, then what you would get is:
Your images will be imported in nice dated rolls. (make sure your view is set to sort by rolls to see it) There are a couple of caveats to this. You will get rolls named "Originals" These rolls will contain your video clips and your original images that you had edited. If you had RAW files they would be in those rolls too (I don't do RAW, so I don't know for sure) Delete what you don't want from those rolls. You will also get the jpeg pointer files to your video clips imported. They will just be jpegs and will not point to the video clips anymore as iPhoto made new ones when the clips were imported again. You can delete those. they should be in a roll right next to the newly imported video clips so they are not hard to find. The thumbnail files don't get imported as iPhoto makes new ones when the images are imported.
So, if you don't want the images that are in the Original rolls, as they are the originals of edited or rotated images, then just delete them. If you still want a copy of them for safe keeping then drag the images or the roll called Originals out of the iPhoto library window to your desktop, then delete the roll within iPhoto. You can burn the ones to disc on your desktop if you'd like.
Or:
you can combine images from that roll to another roll with the edited images in them if you like.
To create a new film roll, command click each image or roll of images or combination of both, then go to File>create film roll.
This will create a new film roll containing all the images you selected.
Lori

Sorting problems - using Film Rolls

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