Sound Editing in FC and STP

Have come across a very useful tutorial resource for sound editing using Final Cut and STP.
http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/finalcut7105
As a Logic user I wil normally use Logic or STP for all my sound editing, but I've learned some cool things from this tutorial as I always do with mac provideo training.
Got a discount code good until 11th August for 33% discount on downloads at macprovideo.
http://www.macprovideo.com/cart/code/10iPadLaunch33
JG

Hello Ian,
Yes. The deeper I go into the tutorial the better it is. There is as much on sound editing directly in FCP as in STP which is a refreshing approach. I always enjoy tutorials by Michael Wohl.
I included a 33% off discount code for downloads in the post above. I dont use these coupons as I have a full subscription for $25 a month. For me this is excellent value.
JG

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Hi, depends on how serious I guess...
Note: The Mac App Store lists the system requirements for current versions of iLife applications (iPhoto, iMovie, and GarageBand).
I don't have access to the App Store, so I can't see the details, I'd think for those 2 it'd be acceptable with enough RAM.

Darker prints and sound editing in LR4

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Steve
Everything you indicated is correct, but it would be nice to know exactly what model and type monitor he has.
Many programs will not work with certain monitors, and certain monitors do not have the controls and or physical range to make changes that color management software will make.
He should do some reading up as well so he knows what he is up against.
Here are two of the best books out there.
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Management-Graphic-Design-Interactive/dp/1401814476
http://www.amazon.com/World-Color-Management-Bruce-Fraser/dp/0201773406
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In your description you say the first document opens as the Title you gave it.
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Since you have already worked on it and it has been previously saved, Lion will now Save for you and Save a Version is available
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Monitor setup for film sound-edit

Hi freaks,
My monitor setup is 3 Bm5a's and a Bm9 sub. The movie will be mixed LCR, not surround.
In the (Logic 8) prefs/audio/surround i've got it set to 5.1 with the L monitor on output 1, R on out-2 and C on out-8 of the digi 003 in my studio. Output 1-2 run throughthe Bm9. This way when not sound-editing the set functions normally for music.
The style is quite lowkey, intercut with documentary footage so i wont be needing the sub on a seperate channel as it wont be used.
The audio was recorded in M/S which makes things interesting (for me at least) translating this to the 3 channel format.
The M channel is currently set to surround with the front and rear surround channels turned off. If i need to pan it around i can turn on the front surrounds on a channel.
The S channel has a gain mono->stereo plugin with the right channel phase inverted. output set to surround.
Is there a rule for the relative loudness of the center speaker compared to the surrounds? To get them to match i have to drop the center by 20dB!
The mix will be done in a proper facility, but i want to have everything well sorted out. The Pyramix/Protools crowd aren't big Logic fans.

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Looking for a sound editing expert

I have a message from 1995 that was recorded on my then tape answering machine. Unfortunately I did not dub the tape to my then LC III using a audio cable, and the original tape is gone. Before the message was destroyed I recorded it to my computer using my LC III's then external mic. Not as nice as the plaintalk mic I had on my Performa 6360 but it worked.
There is a song that is playing in the background of this message that I really want to find out the name of. I no longer have any contact with the person leaving this message and frankly I do not even know if she is alive, so asking her would be impossible.
I come here because I thought that perhaps someone here can soften the message and find a way to elliminate the his that one hears. Doing such may help me find the artist. But since I lack Sound Edit Pro, or any other professional sound editing software and the know how I cannot.
The audio file is here.
http://johnw.freeshell.org/audio/messagefromrb.zip
The audio is in system sound (as this was the standard mac format when this was recorded).
Thanks to any that can help
John

Johannes,
You can certainly do it in GarageBand, although not the most ideal method I guess:
Open Garageband. Drag and drop the MP3 into the Garageband window and it will import the file. Highlight/Play the track and choose where you want to edit the track using the play marker. Choose Edit->Split to separate the bits of the track you want (repeat as appropriate). Next highlight the bits of the track you don't want to keep (you can hold down Shift to highlight multiple sections) and press delete (you may need to click off the track and back on to the bits you're deleting) - this should leave you with the bit of the track you want.
When you have finished you can export it to iTunes: File->Export to iTunes. The file in iTunes is an AIF file that you can then convert to MP3 again (and do what you like with!)
Alternatively, you could try Audacity, a free Sound Editor, at: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ (I've not used it myself yet, but I'm guessing it's a more direct method!).
I hope that helps,
Jon

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Suddenly, when I next opened the 24P version of the project ALL OF THE STP-FIXED AUDIO WAS GONE! NOW OFFLINE!!!
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Where are these so-called "(sent)" audio clips source stored on disk? Where in the standard FCP file structure are they? Is it possible FCP was putting them into the 30i version of the project file structure by mistake? (remember, i first edited in the 30i project version before duplicating and creating a 24P version).
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When you say ProTools outputting individual aiff, is it a mix down file?
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Any info welcome.

Afraid not Nick.
I've tried Google.
The video is a sit-com not a game-show.
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I use itunes on a Dell XPS502 with W7/64. In some cases have have problems to import CD's. The sound is very disturbed and the import need a lot more time than in normal cases. Is there a problem between itunes W7/64 or a known hardware issue?

I use itunes on a Dell XPS502 with W7/64. In some cases have have problems to import CD's. The sound is very disturbed and the import need a lot more time than in normal cases. Is there a problem between itunes and W7/64 or a known hardware issue?
Example-CD : "Tracy Chapman , Telling stories" is not able to import . I have more such negative cases. But in other cases it works fine and the sound is great.
The firmware at the inbuild CD/DVD DS-6E2SH is the latest version.
What can I do??

hi b noir,
I don't no about virtuel drives like you mententioned. In the mean time I have rebooted the XPS and run again the iTunes diagnostics. I think the back - chance in the registry was not ready to use. Now there are another results. They are the same in case of a running CD or a not running CD. The difference in total is like before. It takes more time that iTunes reads the (bad) CD and at the there is no good sound. In both cases ( running or not running CD) iTunes diagnostics gives as a result :
(the copie from ITunes shows the result of the not running CD from Tracy Chapman)
Microsoft Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 7601)
Dell Inc. Dell System XPS L502X
iTunes 10.3.1.55
QuickTime 7.6.9
FairPlay 1.11.17
Apple Application Support 1.5.2
iPod Updater-Bibliothek 10.0d2
CD Driver 2.2.0.1
CD Driver DLL 2.1.1.1
Apple Mobile Device 3.4.0.25
Apple Mobile Device Treiber 1.55.0.0
Bonjour 2.0.5.0 (214.3)
Gracenote SDK 1.8.2.457
Gracenote MusicID 1.8.2.89
Gracenote Submit 1.8.2.123
Gracenote DSP 1.8.2.34
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Aktueller Benutzer ist kein Administrator.
Aktuelles Datum und Uhrzeit sind 2011-06-11 19:33:22.
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HDCP wird unterstützt.
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Info zu Video-Anzeige
NVIDIA, NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M
Intel Corporation, Intel(R) HD Graphics Family
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iTunesHelper 10.3.1.55 arbeitet zurzeit.
Apple Mobile Device service 3.3.0.0 arbeitet zurzeit.
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LowerFilters: PxHlpa64 (2.0.0.0),
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D: PLDS DVDRWBD DS-6E2SH, Rev CD11
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Titel 2, Startzeit: 03:59:47
Titel 3, Startzeit: 07:19:27
Titel 4, Startzeit: 11:31:30
Titel 5, Startzeit: 15:31:50
Titel 6, Startzeit: 20:07:50
Titel 7, Startzeit: 24:27:15
Titel 8, Startzeit: 27:49:10
Titel 9, Startzeit: 32:41:25
Titel 10, Startzeit: 35:29:65
Titel 11, Startzeit: 38:38:00
Audio-CD erfolgreich gelesen (Suche nach alter Firmware).
Laufwerksgeschwindigkeit erfolgreich erkannt
Die CDR-Geschwindigkeiten des Laufwerks sind: 4 10 16 24
Die CDRW-Geschwindigkeiten des Laufwerks sind: 4
Die DVDR-Geschwindigkeiten des Laufwerks sind: 4
Die DVDRW-Geschwindigkeiten des Laufwerks sind: 4
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I have a first edition mac mini and internal speaker are not enabled yet.. what can I do?

I have a first edition mac mini and internal speaker are not enabled yet.. what can I do?

If you are using an HDMI connection, go to Apple / System Preferences / Sound and see if you can select the Built-In Speakers?
If you have headphones, buds or something plugged into the Audio Output jack, unplug it.
If not then perhaps the micro switch inside the Audio Output jack is stuck? In that case, try plugging and unplugging some headphones, buds or something in and out a few times to see if it will un-stick.
If it will not un-stick, then you will need to make an appointment for service.
see > Apple - Support - iMac - Service FAQ

Looking for Win-based sound-editing software to work with AAC files

Hi, everyone.
I'm a part-time indoor-cycling instructor. I create iTunes playlists to fit a certain types of "rides," transfer the lists to my iPod, then hook the player to the club's stereo system. Very slick.
But not slick enough. There are some songs I don't want to play all the way through; I want to use only isolated segments of certain songs. And I want to employ crossfade. When cycling, it's important to keep the music coming; dead spots are energy killers. I want to stich in some stray bits of oddball audio, such as funny snippets of movie dialog and other nonsense, to keep the mood light. And I'm looking for a way to more precisely control track-to-track playback volume.
I know I can isolate a segment of a song file by using the "start time" and "stop time" adjustments on the "options" tab of a song file's "get info" settings within iTunes. But I want to do more than that. Sometimes I want to play :20 of a song at one part of the ride, and :40 of the same song later in the ride, and I don't want to have to make a renamed copy of the song file to make it happen.
I'm thinking what I need is sound-editing software. I want to create, say, a 60-minute playlist in iTunes, export copies (not the originals) of the songs in that playlist to the sound-editing platform, do my editing and create a single, 60-minute file that I can then load into iTunes and thus, transfer to my iPod. When I hook the 'pod up to the club's stereo, I would then play the single 60-minute "song" instead of the 60-minute playlist.
And of course, I want to do it really cheaply, on a PC running iTunes for Windows. How's that for a challenge?
If I had a Mac, I probably could use SoundStudio to do this, because it imports AAC files.
What I need is a Windows-based editing platform that can import AAC files. If you know of such an animal, I'd appreciate hearing about it.
If there is no such animal, here's what I think I'll have to do:
1. Pluck song files from my iTunes music folder
2. Create a CD containing mp3 copies of those songs
3. Send those mp3 copies into the editing software
4. Stitch the songs together in the editing software into a single file
5. Export that file as a single mp3 file
6. Have iTunes convert that mp3 file to mp4.
Right? Or wrong? If anyone has advice, I'm all ears.

The reason why I posted here was to hopefully find someone who has actually done this before rather than have someone throw packages at me that I can find on Google on my own.
There are a number of SMS gateways out there, but I have not used any of them. Setting up some of them is a very time consuming process and I was hoping to get a heads up on one that that some else had used in the Solaris 10 x86 environment within a zone.
I already have a working email version of this process which I put together very quickly, but using SMS would be a much better process for the techs out in the field.
I won't have the actual GSM Modem in hand until Monday or Tuesday and am doing some preliminary work so that I can hit the ground running when it shows up.
Thanks for your suggestions though.

Sharp sound after start up and before shut down.

Hello. I'm on Dell XPS L401x laptop with JBL speakers. Earlier I had Arch Linux installed. I am setting it up again after hard drive crash. I have Gnome 3 installed and sound is being managed by PulseAudio - Alas setup.
Problem is that, whenever I boot up the laptop, there is sharp loud sound as if speakers were just powered on. Same sound pulse is heard just before the machine shuts down. Similar behaviour when I suspend it. Apparently, its a power issue. Speakers are being powered up and down, giving out the sound. But the sound is so sharp, that I'm afraid that it will break my speakers. Any solution to this? I am not using any power extra utilities yet.
Last edited by akshay2000 (2012-05-18 06:35:41)

karol wrote:Try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Al … g_Playback
I was so frustrated yesterday that I didn't even put enough information in OP - my bad. So, I'll put here whatever I've done.
First thing, I added a line to disable power save to /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf
After this, my startup pop vanished. However, suspend pop, resume pop and shutdown pop were still there.
Then I went ahead and edited file /etc/conf.d/alsa and set value of 'power off on shutdown' to "yes". This setting apparently mutes the speakers before powering the machine down. After this, my shutdown pops are gone. However, my machine by defult starts muted, which is annoying.
Anyway, I removed the powersave option from modeprobe.conf and start up pop is still gone.
So, current state is: No startup problem. Loud pops while suspend, resume and shutdown. Shutdown pop is removed by editing /etc/conf.d/alsa:
# Whether to mute the master volume when stopped ("yes" or "no").
# Useful for bad audio cards which make a noise on system poweroff.
MUTE_VOLUME="yes"
brebs wrote:
For the "before shutdown" pop - you may have to hack your initscripts so that the ALSA modules *don't* get unloaded.
As a bit of reassurance, I've never heard of these annoying pops being the cause of physical damage.
Its really nice to see you here brebs. I have been reading your posts about this yesterday. When you ask me to hack initscripts, exactly what is to be done. Will this work for suspend-resume. And thanks for the reassurance, but mine is less like a 'pop' and more like a spike!
One more important thing! On my earlier setup, I DO NOT remember using pulseaudio at all. Apparently, Alsa was managing everything directly. Is pulseaudio really needed? My experience wasn't particularly pleasant with it. Firstly, it defaults my sound to HDMI soundcard and I'm unable to hear anything. Secondy, nder input device, it does not list my microphone unless I select 'all input devices' from the dropdown on bottom of pulseaudio volume control. Thirdly, in applications like skype and google video call, I have to manually go to pulseaudio and tell it to choose the internal microphone of my laptop. Otherwise, it loves to take input from HDMI card!
Last edited by akshay2000 (2012-05-18 07:19:04)

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Is there some reason my postings are being edited by host and removed from the discussions? Today I posted the following, and it was removed from the discussions. I have since added it back as it and all other posts I write are pertinent and directly applicable to helping users with their problems:
"Three beeps at startup indicates the problems with your system's RAM modules. Have you performed any upgrades on the system, especially RAM upgrades? If so then open the system back up and try re-seating the RAM modules. If one is loose or otherwise not properly seated for some reason then it may result this error. If the problem persists even after reseating the RAM modules, then try replacing them either with originals or with new modules. If at any point you can get the system to load and not make these beeping sounds, then immediately reboot the system into the Apple Hardware Test suite and perform an extended memory test. This will take a while to run, but if there are any errors shown with this test then replace the RAM modules in your system."
Discussion here: https://discussions.apple.com/message/22201917#22201917
I included a link to information on how to use the Apple Hardware Tests, which my be the spurring factor, but the link does not offer me any compensation or benefit. Folks post links to their own sites, programs, and other external resources on a daily basis. The links I provide are directly applicable to the issue at hand (as is all links I post to). I'm not including it here because I'm getting the sense there is an automatic scanning and removal going on and I'd like to figure out what it is, or at least have some feedback about what is going on.
The emails do not have any way to contact or discuss the issue, and instead only mention the post was removed with a link to the terms of use, of which none apply to my situation. This is the only location I know of for having such a discussion, and I am hoping those involved with moderation can provide specific feedback about this issue.
Thanks.

...and the contents of the email I received are just a generic reply, such as the following:
Please read our Apple Support Communities Use Agreement so that you may discover what constitutes an appropriate post to our service. Section two, "Submissions," is most germane.
Your post, copied below, has been removed from Apple Support Communities. This area is intended to address technical issues about Apple products. Posts that do not conform to the Apple Support Communities Use Agreement are inappropriate.
Please see the Apple Support Communities Use Agreement at https://discussions.apple.com/static/apple/tutorial/tou.html for more information on the proper use of Apple Support Communities.
Each Discussion user is required to agree to these terms before gaining posting privileges. You reserve the right to not post on Apple Support Communities should you disagree with these terms.
If you would like to send feedback to Apple about a product, please use the appropriate selection at http://www.apple.com/feedback As part of submitting feedback, please read the Unsolicited Idea Submission Policy linked to the feedback page.
Sometimes you have comments or concerns for which there is no technical response. If you need the kind of help that a troubleshooting expert can't provide, you can call Apple's Customer Relations group.
Best Regards,
Apple Support Communities Staff

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I need to edit down loops of audio at specific BPMs using STP 1.1. I've got a BPM calculator, so I know that, for example, when I need two bars of this 124 BPM piece, it should be 3.87 seconds. Is there a way to set a time duration like this in STP, so I'll only have to identify the start point, and STP will calculate the end point? It's just kind of a pain having to click-and-drag for a bunch of loops.
Thanks!

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