Space Designer Deconvolution Problem/Question

Hi everyone. When I try to deconvolve my recorded sine sweep responses in space designer the result is just a wave file minus the sine sweep. In other words the resulting IR has no reverb tail. Is this normal? Do I have to then create a Reverb tail?
Thanks
iMac Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Another way of wording the question that I originally asked;
I recorded a ten second sine sweep. when I deconvolve I end up with a ten second impulse response. Is this normal? Do I now need to shorten the IR using space designer, or is it supposed to create a reverb tail automatically?
If anyone out there knows this answer please let me know.

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Another way of wording the question that I originally asked;
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> So my main question is - should I be worried by the
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> Another design view question - I've looked through other
posts but not
> seen
> anything that's similar.
>
> (Firstly, can't give a URL as I'm sensibly(?) doing a
site redesign
> offline...)
>
> I've got a page that consists of three columns - each
floated left, each
> with
> nested divs (the nested divs are fixed width).
>
> In design view, everything was fine with this structure
- as was preview
> in
> browser, and the page validates with DWCS3's checker.
But adding content
> to
> the first of the columns (within a nested div) made the
next two columns
> drop
> below the first in design view - although DWCS3
validation and previewing
> is
> still fine.
>
> Through judicious deleting etc., I've found that it was
a floated element
> in a
> nested div within the first column, that caused the
subsequent elements to
> drop
> below the first column.
>
> So my main question is - should I be worried by the
design view problems,
> or
> is It just an inconvenience?
>
> (And if there's any other obvious problems I'm inviting
by structuring the
> page this way, please feel free to (gently) point it
out...!).
>
> Thanks, Matt.
>

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