Space Designer - Loading Split Stereo IR's

Hi,
First of all please accept my apologies if this question has been answered before.
I've finally started creating presets for the 100's of IR's I have, and I just wanted to check that my assumption is correct: When attempting to load a split stereo IR, does selecting one side (say left) automatically load both sides? Based on what I can hear it seams to but i just wanted to confirm this.
The Plug-In Manual (page 120) doesn't specifically say anything about this. It just says:
"Simply browse to the desired file, and click OK. Any mono, stereo or split stereo AIFF, SDII or WAV file can be used."
Again, sorry for being so dense about all this.
Thanks in advance.

Thank so much much guys.
What's the best way of joining split stereo files? Some of the IR's weren't connected to the opposite side.
If I highlight both of them in the Audio Window and select the convert/copy command from the edit menu will that be that same as if I'd added them to the arrange window and bounced the as stereo. Ideally I'd rather not use the scond method.
Thanks again.

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SD can import a stereo impulse response, which basically functions as mono input to stereo output.
In order to do true stereo (stereo in, stereo out) requires two stereo impulse responses. Some verbs import two stereo files, others import quad files.
The manual says that SD uses true stereo, but there isn't any more information about it. It looks like there are a few true stereo presets, which have a + after the preset name and display "Discrete Circle" in the window instead of stereo, but I can't figure out what file format they are or how many channels (they are SDIR files, but looks like those can't be opened).
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Anyone have any experience with this, I'd like to be able to use some true stereo IR's but at this point it looks like I may just have to buy another reverb plug if I can't get that working. Thanks.

it looks like that can only work with files it records itself, I don't see an option to import files.
I tried to find a way around that and I came to the same conclusion as you.
in all cases the verb was all in the right channel even though all four channels of the file had signal
I think I found a way to get results better than that, but the results still aren't really right. I've been using this file:
L96, 01-02 Medium Hall Quad.wav
It's the same one I mentioned in the other thread. I load SD, and then I drag this file in. I don't change any SD settings before or after I drag in the file. The source material is various stereo Apple Loops, and some other test files. I have SD on an Aux, so I can easily solo the Aux and hear 100% wet signal.
The wet signal is on both sides, if there is a source signal on both sides. When the source is panned hard left, the wet signal follows, and vice versa. Instruments that start out 100% left stay that way in the wet signal.
This is better than what you got, but it's still not right. It's not what you get with the true stereo presets in SD, where a hard-panned source will produce a wet signal on both sides (but with it mostly dry on the near side and mostly wet on the far side).
they show up as "no mode set"
That's what I see, and this is probably a clue that SD is not going to use it to produce true stereo.
I can get those results consistently, but then it starts to break more dramatically if I load an SD preset (any kind at all, as far as I can tell), and then drag in the quad file. Then all sorts of strange things happen. Sudddenly I get 100% dry signal on one side, even though it should be 100% wet. Then this happens on both sides. And the problem persists when I load another preset (without dragging in the quad file again). At one point I would get a persistent loud pop on one side, followed by silence, every time I hit play.
Once it gets in this state, unloading and reloading SD doesn't fix it, and closing and opening the project doesn't fix it. But if I quit and relaunch Logic, that fixes it (although it's still not true stereo).
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jlb223 wrote:
I recently purchased some impulse responses. I am trying to load these into Space Designer on Logic 9.1. They have been supplied as L, R and C wav files. It says that Space Designer supports 'true stereo' impulse responses, where there is a seperate wav file for L and R. But I can't work out how to load both files? Has anyone on here successfully loaded True Stereo responses in Space Designer? The set of responses also includes 'quad' files consisting of just one stereo file - should I be using these instead?
If anyone could help/offer any advice I would be very grateful
Many thanks
jlb
If the impulse responses are Stereo Interleaved audio files, then they load into Space Designer as true stereo impulses.
Note : make SURE you create the space Designer on a STEREO AUX or channel, otherwise its mono--->Stereo, and will load mono impulses. At least that what it does on my system. They same impulse sounds very different when fed a mono source VS a stereo source...
As for "QUAD" sources, it does not support them, at least I do not think it does.
Try loading a Space Designer on a 4-channel audio track (a QUAD) track, and see what happens.
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Cheers
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I'm trying batch convert IR's for Logic users.
I have created true stereo IR's (not with the logic impulse utility)
They are currently 2 interleaved stereo .wav files
Left Side-Left&Right.wav
Right Side-Left&Right.wav
For Space Designer to load true stereo it needs to see a single 4channel interleaved file? Is this correct? If so what is the channel configuration & or naming convention/header or quicktime meteadata to let SD know what to do?

Just to try to help: as you say, this is a cross-post. Perhaps if any Impulse Response Utility users would like to respond, it might be better for them to do so in the +Logic Pro 8 Forum.+ There are a lot more experts in there… you may have had a reply already by now!
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Wm J Heart wrote:
Hi,
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Because Space Designer uses stereo *impulse response* files, through which the audio is processed into reverb. If you do not dial in any Dry signal (did you?) you will hear only the fully processed signal. This can vary enormously, as it is shaped by the impulse response file, which is effectively an audio file. It determines what happens to processed signal. Now if you only hear the processed signal, the differences between presets can be as big as the differences between any two audio files.
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Socalled Send presets have no dry signal dialed in, because sent signals should be fully processed and not 'double up' the original signal.
O, and on the left of the SD-interface is a slider to alter the stereo image, which can also be set to mono.
I'm concerned about creating my mix in a large orchestral template without an understanding & control of this phenomenon....
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