SPDIF Inputs, how do they wo

I was hoping this would be covered in the sticky thread "Digital Connections, SPDIF and Dolby Digital Info". 
Here is my situation, 
Analog front/rear/center 5. speakers <- 
&nbsp<- Audigy 2 front/rear/center outputs <- 
&nbsp&nbsp<- Audigy 2 line in <- 
&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp<- HDTV Cable Box RCA Stereo output 
What I would like to do, if possible, 
Analog front/rear/center 5. speakers <- 
&nbsp<- Soundcard front/rear/center outputs <- 
&nbsp&nbsp<- Soundcard Optical/Coaxial input <- 
&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp<- HDTV Cable Box Optical/Coaxial output 
Basically, I want to listen to 5. DD sound from my HDTV Box by running the optical or coaxial outputs on my HDTV Box into a soundcard inputs and then have the soundcard output the 5. channel sound through it's front/rear/center outputs. 
From what I understand from other soundcard websites, their soundcards can only passthrough an SPDIF signal. I don't want passthrough, I want the soundcard to process the 5. sound and send it directly to the speakers. Does Creative have any soundcards are devices that make this possible?

Where do I buy the dri've bay for the Audigy 2 ZS?
and,
Are you sure, without a doubt, that the optical or coaxial input on the dri've bay is not just passthrough, and that I will be able to listen to the sound coming from my HDTV Cable Box's optical or digital spdif output through the analog front/rear/center outputs of the Audigy 2?

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