Specific NVIDIA vs. ATI question

I'm about ready to go pick up a new 21.5" 3.06 iMac with the bigger HD and upgrade to the ATI Radeon HD 4670 graphics with 256MB memory.
But I'm also considering a refurbished 24" 3.06 with the NVIDIA GeForce GT 130 with 512MB memory
It seems that most people prefer ATI to NVIDIA, but with the extra 265MB, will the NVIDIA deliver better performance?
Also, is there a quality difference between the new monitors and pnes on the old 24" iMacs?
I'd love some advice and am looking forward to ordering one or the other by tomorrow.
Thanks!

Prices are close enough that it's not an issue. EPP price on the 21.5" 3.06 with the upgraded graphics (256 ATI) is $1,409. When the refurb 24" (with the 512 NVIDIA) shows up on here, I think they're $1.349.
I'm headed to Apple store tomorrow. Unless I'm unimpressed by the 21.5" (and if they have one in stock) I'll probably bring one home. (Unless, of course, I fall in love with the 27" and decide it wouldn't look too ridiculous on my living room coffee table.)
I still suspect the 24" is the better deal (it is about 41% off its original price, but I'm just talking about the specs alone), and I know it's silly, but a part of me sjust wants to have the latest thing. I bought my G5 just a few days before the first Intels came out (I knew they were coming, but I was worried about being able to use all my Power PC software) and it'll just feel good to have the computer that's on Apple's splash page (a smaller version of it anyway)... at least for a few months.

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