Specifying Pantone color codes U.S. vs Euro

I have specified a Pantone solid color (3025C) for printing here in Europe, do I need to update either the code or color for it to be used in the U.S.

Fine for the US.

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    I run a small invitation supply company.
    Our primary design tool up until now has been Photoshop Elements.
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    More precisely, you are just failing to understand the fundamental difference between spot color and process color.
    I want to be able to pick a color from the pantone deck, enter the code, and feel confident that the print will come out 100% the corresponding color.
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    A spot color is, by definition, an actual, physical, single ink which is loaded into a press. The only way to achieve your 100% pipedream is to load that actual, physical, single ink into your $6000 printer.
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