"Speeding up" extra internal hard drives...?

In addition to the "stock" 250G, I've installed a 750G and a 1T. The 750G is for random storage, and the 1T is for my iTunes and video stuff, etc...
However, every time I use iTunes, launch a file, or even bring up spotlight, etc, both drives seem to have to "get up to speed".
This is a bit surprising, becacause I assumed if I went "internal" instead of "external" the speed of access would be at least CLOSER to that of my main drive.
Is there any way to speed them up?
Or, at least, keep them from constantly "going to sleep"?
tia,
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Ed,
I have 4 internal drives and there were times when I would have to wait 5-10 seconds for multiple drives to spin up, which can be very annoying. But there is a cure.
There is a Power Management setting called Disk Sleep Timer that can be found under the Power item in System Profiler. The default setting for Leopard is 180 minutes, but your Mac's default setting may be different. You can access System Profiler under the Apple Menu > About This Mac > More Information.
This setting can be changed by typing the following command in Terminal:
sudo pmset disksleep ?
Replace the ? with the number of minutes you want to set and press <Return>, then when prompted, type in your password. If you use a setting of 0 (zero), the hard disks will never sleep, unless you checked "Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible" in the Energy Saver Control Pane.
I may use a little more power having the hard drives running full time, but to me it's worth it in reduced frustration.
Keith

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    theavataroftime 2868 .r.e. nepomukservices
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    I recently installed an addional internal Hard Drive, and an additional 1GB SDRAM. This worked great for a day, but the next morning, after powering up, system was extremely sluggish, and after much deadline-induced impatient problem solving, has gone from bad to worse (system refuses to acknowledge existence of internal Hard Drives). I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but as
    the devil is in the details, I figure too much info is better than not enough.
    Following is a breakdown of my system: AS IT LAST WORKED; RECENT UPGRADES; and MY LAME ATTEMPTS AT PROBLEM SOLVING THAT HAVE MADE THINGS WORSE. Please don't interpret my all caps as shouting, just trying to organize this post for better clarity.
    System is dedicated to Video Editing with FCP 3, running under OS 9.2.2. System is "off the Grid", i.e. no network, no internet, no printer, no gaming devices. System was purchased new in July 2001, by a friend. At one point I know this system had an Airport card, which was removed prior to my purchase in 2003. I can't remember what else it may have had installed in its history, but here's what it has now:
    SYSTEM AS IT LAST WORKED:
    **bold items are upgrades Original Owner or I installed with no apparent problems**
    Power Mac G4 "Quicksilver" 2001
    867 PowerPC G4, 256 L2, 2MB L3
    -1 Stick "ValueRAM - KVR 133 x 64 C3/512" in PC 133 DIMM slot **
    - "Virtual Memory" was turned off years ago due to conflict with FCP 3
    -2 empty DIMM slots
    -1 60 GB internal HD (Maxtor Ultra ATA/100), 1 partition, formatted HFS+, jumpered as "Master" on Internal ATA 2 ID=0 (which as I understand it is ATA/66 speed)
    -1 Pioneer "Superdrive" DVD-R/W/CD-R/W on Internal ATA 0 ID=0
    -NVIDIA GeForce2 MX with 32MB SDRAM in AGP Slot, feeding a 17" Apple Studio Display.
    -PCI Display Card "formacGA7" - not attached to any external device, not sure what its intended purpose is.**
    -3 Empty PCI Slots
    -OEM Keyboard attached to Monitor's rear USB port.
    -Microsoft 3 Button Wheel mouse with "IntelliEye" (wheel is 3rd Button) connected to Keyboard USB port (right side).**
    -2 OEM FireWire (400) ports
    -2 OEM USB (1) ports
    Peripherals that have worked in various configurations with this system over the past 3 years:
    -3 OWC Mercury Elite ("Oxford Chipset") Externally powered, External FireWire(400) 200GB Hard Drives, 1 partition each, formatted HFS+, daisy-chained to either of the FireWire ports.
    -1 Canon GL1 MiniDV camera, attached either to the other FireWire port, or to the last drive in the chain, depending on my urgency/laziness factor. BTW, FCP 3 has worked flawlessly controlling this Cam for logging and Batch Capturing.
    Applications on System Hard Drive that I have OEM CDs for:
    -OS 9.2 - (I think I remember that OS X was removed from system due to conflicts shortly after original purchase)
    -FCP 3
    -DiskWarrior (version unknown, purchased from Alsoft in 2003)
    -OWC Intech Hard Disk SpeedTools ver 3.5
    Other CDs I have:
    OEM CDs for Power Mac G4:
    -Software Install, OS 9.2, CD vers 1
    -Software Install, OS 10.0.4, CD vers 1
    -Software Restore, OS 9.2 & 10.0.4 CDs vers 1, Discs 1-4 of 4.
    -OEM Apple Hardware Test; Power Mac G4, SW vers 1.2.1
    Applications on system Hard Drive that I don't have CDs for, that I rarely use, but I'd like to keep:
    -After Effects 5.0
    -QuickTime Player 6.0.2
    -Toast Audio Extractor 1.1
    -Toast Titanium 5.0.2
    Applications on system Hard Drive I use if my wife is busy on our Windows XP machine:
    -Photshop 6.0
    -Microsoft Word & Excel
    # of other Applications on System Hard Drive I either don't use or may be integral to the system: 260
    # of Control Panels:
    -Enabled: 34
    -Disabled: 0
    # of Extensions:
    -Enabled: 174
    -Disabled: 0
    note: a number of the applications and extensions are for AOL, Quickbooks, Microsoft Money and the like, as well as other things I don't use (Airport, USB printers, Networking, etc.)
    Smart things I did:
    -Regularly made backup copies of my FCP projects to the external drives.
    -Bought a copy of MacDrive so I can see what's on my External Drives on the XP machine.
    -Printed out System Profile before I installed upgrades.
    -Thoroughly searched this discussion board for and gathered as much info as I could before upgrading.
    Dumb things I did:
    -Made a copy, but not a clone, of my System Folder to one of the external drives when I first got it.
    -Didn't keep any sort of separate log of what's on the External Drives.
    -Never ran any sort of Disk Maintenance, even after one of the Externals crashed (DiskWarrior saved my butt on that).
    -Ignored some of the advice on this discussion board.
    Really dumb thing I did without even realizing it:
    Captured all media for a rush job onto my internal system Hard Drive, as well as storing and using massive jpgs for the same job on that same drive...
    Which led to painfully slow rendering times, and crashes caused by "Error: Out of Memory", which I interpreted as "Must buy more memory" and not "must make sure I'm not trying to edit media stored on system drive, especially with massive jpgs that I should reduce"
    RECENT UPGRADES:
    Here's what I did, and how I did it:
    Turned off system, disconnected all External FireWire Devices, disconnected Monitor, opened case, touched various metal parts of case and power supply to discharge any Static, unplugged power cable.
    -Installed 2 512MB sticks of "Lifetime" PC 133 SDRAM; total System RAM is now 1.5GB, all 3 DIMM slots now occupied.
    -Installed 1 Maxtor "DiamondMax" Ultra ATA/133 100GB Hard Drive (8 MB buffer) as "Slave" (no jumper) in top of U-Carrier above System Hard Drive; attached to middle of original Apple ribbon cable, attached available power plug.
    Taped spare jumper to inside of empty drive bay, noting origin and date. Did NOT push PMU button. Carefully closed case. Reconnected Monitor, did NOT reconnect any FireWire devices. Powered System on, but did NOT perform PRAM reset.
    I don't remember the exact order of what happened next, but I think: System booted up normally, a window popped up saying a new drive had been found, would I like to intitialize it?, which I did as Mac OS extended, and then named. If I was instructed to restart, I did so, otherwise did not. Clicked on "about this Mac" and saw that it now showed 1.5GB RAM. I then went about moving Media/Render files off the System drive (and one of the Externals) onto the Internal Drive, with a combination of FCP's Media Manager, and dragging from the Finder. After files had copied, dragged Media/Render files from System Drive to Trash. Opened FCP project, had FCP re-link to new locations of missing files. Saved, closed, and re-opened project, set Capture/Scratch disc to new internal Drive. At some point I changed FCP's Memory Allocation from whatever it was to 512000KB Minimum, and 900000KB Prefered (and I hope I got all those zeroes right). Did NOT restart after changing Memory Allocation, unless a window popped up instructing me to do so, in which case I did. Re-opened my project, rendered a few thing at a noticeably increased speed, saved everything, emptied the Trash, shut everything down, and called it a night as it was 4:30 am.
    A few hours later, I plugged the MiniDV and an External Drive into the FW ports and powered up the System. It was behaving extremely sluggishly. I would click on something, the pointer would turn into a wristwatch (sometimes with the minute-hand moving, sometimes not) and like an actual minute later, what I'd clicked on would open. All three drives were on the desktop, still had their files, and "About this Mac" still showed 1.5GB total Memory. So I powered down, disconnected the FW devices, waited a bit, and powered back up. Same sluggish response. I tried to open my FCP project file, and instead got a Window that said something to the effect of "The Application associated with this document could not be found". I think I tried to open FCP from the Applications folder on the System Drive and got the same message (I'd only had 3 hours sleep, no coffee, my client had died, and his family was coming for whatever I had in a few hours).
    LAME ATTEMPTS AT PROBLEM SOLVING THAT HAVE MADE THINGS WORSE
    Panic had set in, which never solves anything, so I don't remember what order I performed which tasks, between searching for clues in this forum, and convincing myself that that would be faster than trying to compose a question, waiting for a response, etc.
    The first two things I did, and I can't remember which I did first (both from Keyboard Commands during Restart):
    Rebuild Desktop
    PRAM Reset
    Neither of those solved the problem, so I continued.
    I tried restarting without extensions.
    I would get errors that said something like "Not Enough Memory to Open Finder".
    I tried booting from Disc 1 of the Software Restore Disk, which only wanted to destroy my data.
    I tried booting from the OS 10 disk, with the same result.
    I was finally able to boot from the OS 9.2 Software Install Disk, and actually saw both internal drives on the desktop, and the 1.5GB RAM in About this Mac. I tried to allocate more memory to Finder, but was informed that "Cannot Perform Requested Operation. This operation requires versions above 8.0".
    I think at this point I decided that I must have too many extensions, and started disabling ones I thought irrelevent to my cause (mostly anything that said "AOL", "Airport", "Ethernet", "Printer", "Modem", "Speakable", and a couple things called "Open TPT".
    It gets worse. Then I decided to turn off some "unnecessary" things via the control panels, but somehow managed to disable the control panels themselves: AppleTalk, DialAssist, File Sharing, Modem, Mouse (as I saw that Microsoft Mouse was among the others), Remote Access, Speech, USB Printer Sharing, and possibly TCP/IP.
    That certainly didn't help anything (though upon restarting from the OS 9.2 Disc I was able to see the extensions and control panels in their respective "Disabled" folders in the System Folder). But I still wasn't able to get more Memory to Finder.
    So, I decided a few more PRAM resets might help, which succeeded in making both Internal Hard Drives disappear. I tried booting up from the DiskWarrior disc, but even the Mighty DiskWarrior couldn't find the drives. I performed the longer, in depth version of the Apple Hardware Tools tests, which reported that everything's fine (including the new RAM), but made no mention of the Hard Drives at all. The deadline having long passed, I shut the system down. I read through more posts and tech articles, etc.
    I searched my External drives with MacDrive on my XP, and found the drive that has the copy of my System Folder (which shows all extensions and control panels as enabled); not sure if the Quicksilver will boot from that, I don't know what the Keyboard command for booting from a FireWire drive is (if there is one) and the drive itself only has 900MB of free space.
    I can't find any reference to Internal ATA drives anywhere in the MacDrive documentation; if it was possible I'd put them into the XP, get the files off the Mac drives, reformat them and install OS9 from the Discs.
    This is where I am now:
    The Quick Silver is still powered down. I removed the Microsft mouse and replaced it with the OEM Apple mouse. I opened the case, and removed the PRAM/Backup battery (manufacture date: July 2001). Couldn't find my voltmeter, so took the bat to Radio Shack and bought a new one. Had the Radio Shack guy test the old one: it showed 3.69 volts still. Have not installed the new battery yet. The case is still open, waiting for any advice any of you might have to offer.
    Thank you all so much for your patience in perusing and pursuing this.
    Sincerely,
    Patterson
    Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 867   Mac OS 9.2.x   17" Studio Display, 512MB RAM

    Thank you Rodney and John,
    The jumpers are correct for both Maxtor Drives.
    Rodney, you are correct in that the initial problem (slow rendering/"out of Memory" crashes) was caused by my not realizing I'd stupidly captured several GBs of media to my system drive, and not checking which drives those files were on (as I'd assumed I'd put them on one of my external media drives) once that problem presented itself.
    Before I'd determined what I'd done, I bought the extra RAM. After I'd found the media files on the System Drive, and saw that my dedicated media drives were too full to easily move them, I decided to buy an additional Internal drive so that I could:
    -Move the Media onto it relatively quickly and finish my urgent project.
    -Juggle all my media into a more organized fashion for archiving (as most of my projects are on-going long-term affairs)
    -Wipe it, Partition it, and clone my System Drive onto it, as a spare bootable drive in case my OEM System Drive failed.
    Copying the Media files onto the New Drive and moving the System Drive's Media files into the Trash worked great: huge improvement in Rendering, etc.
    Before shutting down for the night I Emptied the Trash, and was pleased with the amount of space I'd freed up on the System Drive.
    My guess is that the System Drive was terribly fragmented, having been subjected to intense use over the past 5 years without any sort of Drive Maintainence, and deleting that massive amount from it in one shot caused my extreme system sluggishness upon Startup the next day.
    My subsequent lame attempts to solve the sluggishnes ultimately resulted in my losing access to both drives.
    Today, I replaced the Backup Battery, pushed the PMU, re-attached the AC, and Powered Up with the case open as per your suggestion.
    It was trying for a few minutes (the gray screen went black at one point, and then returned to gray) before presenting me with the flashing question mark.
    There was, however, a quiet but distinct "buzzing" sound that would alternate: 1 sec "buzz", one second silence, one second "buzz", one second silence, etc. coming from the drives, even after the "?" appeared.
    I powered down, removed the Ribbon and Power Cables from the new "Slave" drive, and powered up again, with the exact same results.
    I powered down, removed the Ribbon and Power cables from the original "Master" drive, reinstalled the Jumper on the New Drive as "Master", plugged the End of the Ribbon and the Power cables into the New "Master" drive and powered up. The screen went to the "?" within 20 seconds instead of 4+ minutes, and no more "buzzing".
    I put the Apple Hardware Tools Disk in, ran the "long" test, and everything came out fine.
    I have to abandon this for now, but thanks again for your previous advice, and any more you may have!
    Cheers,
    Patterson

  • Can I add a third internal hard drive?

    I have a G4 Quicksilver with the original 80 G drive, and a second internal hard drive of 100 G that I added to the Drive Position 3 slot several years ago.
    I would like to add a third internal hard drive (video files, backup, and all that) using Drive Position 2. I have looked all over the web without a clear answer. Is it possible to add another ATA internal drive, or must I settle for an external drive via Firewire 800?

    Well, I can explain what each option will do for you, but it all depends on what you need and what you are willing to spend.
    The quickest and easiest option is to use the ATA-3 bus. If you are streaming video directly to the drive and need something fast, then I wouldn't recommend this. But if you are using it as storage for video files, then this would be fine. Basically the ATA-3 bus is not high performance and will show through to be a little slower, but for storage this isn't really an issue. It depends on what you are using it for...
    The next easiest option would be to buy an external firewire drive. Since you already have the firewire 800 card, you may as well get one. Firewire 800 is pretty fast, boasting an 800 mbit/sec (or 66.6 MB/s) transfer speed. It will probably seem pretty similar in speed to the internal drives. The only drawback is that it is external...some people don't care about externals, but for me, I like it all internal. No fuss. But that's up to you. I had a firewire drive for a little while, but the enclosure failed in a year so I just pulled the drive out and mounted it internally. Runs a little faster now...
    The last option would be to pull one of your PCI cards and get a ATA or SATA controller card. This is the most expensive option, but would probably be the highest performer. Drives hooked up to a controller card will seem a little faster, but for the most part will be pretty similar to your main ATA bus. The bus is not the problem and has never been the problem-the drives themselves are the bottleneck. Think about it this way: A drive has a peak transfer rate of 150 MB/sec (just for illustration.), and is connected to a bus that can transfer up to 300 MB/sec. How much speed will you gain if you move the drive over to a bus that can transfer up to 9,999,999,999,999 GB/sec? Haha. None! The bottleneck is the drive transfer speed, not the bus transfer speed. So the speed gains you will get from a controller card will be minimal, unless you get faster spinning drives (7,200, 10,000 or 15,000 RPM drives). The main way a controller card allows you to speed up transfer rates is by setting up a RAID. I doubt you want or need a RAID, and can cost a lot, so I won't go into that.
    Just remember that the controller card is basically overkill if all you need is one extra drive. Either hook up a drive to the ATA-3 or go with an external firewire drive since you already have the firewire 800.

  • PLEASE HELP me select new internal hard drive for Macbook Pro 2012 (non-retina)

    Good afternoon.
    I just bought a Macbook Pro 2012 (non-retina) 15 inch from a friend.  I think it is running Mountain Lion (has not been upgraded to Mavericks yet), and has iLife on it.  It came with the stock 500 gb 5400 rpm internal hard drive.  At home, I only have the Snow Leopard OS installation Cds and a copy of iLife 2011 installation Cds.  I am going to buy 16 gb of RAM from Other World Computing to install.
    I want to replace the hard drive with a 1 tb hard drive, preferably something that is $100 or less.
    I talked to Other World Computing (OWC) and looked at the Data Doubler Option to replace the optical drive with a Solid State drive, but decided that for now I want to keep the optical drive inside the computer for portability issues.
    I know that Solid State drives are better, but they are still too small, and I want the ease and portability of a 1 tb size INSIDE my computer.
    Initially I was going to order this from Other World Computing: 1.0TB 2.5" HGST Travelstar 7K1000 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 9.5mm Notebook Drive 32MB Cache. *'New' Factory Replacement with 2+ Year HGST Warranty*    As of April 4, 2014 it's on sale for $79
    But then I started reading some of the discussions online and thought maybe I should get a hybrid solid state drive?
    I saw on Amazon the Seagate 1TB Solid State Hybrid Drive SATA 6Gbps 64MB Cache 2.5-Inch ST1000LM014  It's on sale for $94.
    But according to some reviews, this Seagate has a platter that is only 5400rpm, unlike the previous Seagate Momentum that has a platter speed of 7200rpm.
    How reliable are the Seagate, versus a Toshiba or Western Digital or Hitachi or something else?
    Here are my questions about replacing the hard drive:
    1.  Is a hybrid solid state drive going to need some kind of special formatting after I put it into the macbook so that I can put the operating system on it?
    2.  Is a "normal" platter hard drive more reliable than a hybrid solid state drive?
    3.  Is there any additional driver or special software that I have to install for a hybrid solid state drive?
    4.  Currently there is no personal data stored on the computer.  Can I just put the new hard drive in, and then insert the snow leopard install cd?
    5.  If I install snow leopard, can I just go to the App store and get the free upgrade to Mavericks?
    6.  If I want to do the "Data Doubler" option in the future and add a normal Solid State drive into my computer, will it have trouble interacting with the 1 tb hybrid solid state drive?
    I would love to get some recommendations about the smartest option to upgrade my hard drive with something that will be fast (I edit lots of photos) and large (1 tb) that isn't going to cost too much.  I don't know much about the different brands or options (and there are so many listed in tons of online reviews), that I got really overwhelmed and confused by the info out there.
    I would really appreciate any help and advice.  I've never switched out a hard drive before.
    PLEASE HELP !!!  Thanks!
    Here is the "About this Mac" Info:
    Macbook Pro 15-in Mid 2012
    Model Identifier: MacBookPro9,1
    Processor: 2.3 GHz Intel Core i7
    Memory: 4 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
    Software: OS x 10.8.5
    Storage (Hard drive): APPLE HDD ST500LM012 Media, Rotational, SATA, GPT (GUID Partition Table)

    1.  Is a hybrid solid state drive going to need some kind of special formatting after I put it into the macbook so that I can put the operating system on it?
    The boot drive, regardless of what it is, needs to be formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled).  This is standard with OS X.
    2.  Is a "normal" platter hard drive more reliable than a hybrid solid state drive?
    There are arguments pro and con.  Bottom line, SSD's and hybrid drives are still quite expensive per GB than standard hard drives.  If you have the bucks and are a speed demon, go ahead.   I have better use for my money.   Standard hard drives are mechanical and may wear out over time.  But even though SSDs are not mechancial, they can still go bad and ultimately they even have a limit to their write capacity.  The jury is still out on this debate.
    3.  Is there any additional driver or special software that I have to install for a hybrid solid state drive?
    No
    4.  Currently there is no personal data stored on the computer.  Can I just put the new hard drive in, and then insert the snow leopard install cd?
    You can physically put the hard drive in but probably not install Snow Leopard on this MBP.
    The mid-2012 MacBookPro9,1 models came with Lion 10.7.3 (11D2097) preinstalled.   It is very unlikely you would be able to install Snow Leopard on it.  Historically you cannot install a version of OS X that is earlier than the version that came with your Mac (even if you replace the hard drive).
    5.  If I install snow leopard, can I just go to the App store and get the free upgrade to Mavericks?
    Not via Snow Leopard on this MBP.  See my response to #4.
    6.  If I want to do the "Data Doubler" option in the future and add a normal Solid State drive into my computer, will it have trouble interacting with the 1 tb hybrid solid state drive?
    No.  They are completely independent of each other; they are just independent storage units (drives) and their RAM does not interact.

  • Both Internal hard drives fail on Macbook Pro late-2011

    Both internal hard drives (SSD and HDD) failed on Macbook Pro late-2011.
    Setup: MBP closed with Thunderbolt display attached.
    Problem on HDD-A
    I called Apple Support to log an issue with my MBP2011. The system is made up of 2 drives - SSD (128GB) and HDD with 2 partitions HDD-A and HDD-B(original 750GB).
    HDD-A has LionOSX 10.7 and HDD-B is storage. SSD has LionOSX on it as well. I normally boot HDD-A.
    I was working on HDD-A and the Kernel Panic screen appeared prompting me to shutdown the machine and start it up again.
    I tried to reboot HDD-A and the grey progress bar appeared for a long time. I then forced shutdown and rebooted into SSD.
    I was able to boot from SSD and then I opened Disk Utility to check the drives. I verified the disk for HDD-A and there was an error. I then tried to repair disk and it couldn't repair it. A dialogue said the disk could not be repaired and that data should be backed up.
    HDD-A was not visible in Finder but HDD-B was accessible.
    I verified HDD-B and it was "ok".
    I shutdown, booted from SSD, disk utility HDD-A and the same message occurred.
    I called Apple Support and they advised that I boot from my external HDD which was a clone of HDD-A.
    Solution
    I was successfully able to boot from the Clone HDD-A.
    HDD-A was able to be accessed and I could retrieve the files from HDD-A.
    I copied over the latest files from HDD-A to an external drive.
    Same Problem on SSD
    Boot from SSD, i started working for about 3 hours, with the lid closed, and attached to the ACD.
    Kernel Panic screen happened again on the SSD.
    Couldn't boot boot from either SSD or HDD-A.
    I booted from Cloned HDD-A, Disk Utility verify and repair returned errors on SSD. The same issue had occurred on the second drive.
    Disk Recovery from a boot recovery USB thumb, Disk Utility, erased SSD, verify was ok.
    Tried to install then there was an install error saying that SSD was damaged (large triangle warning icon). Tried 3 times, failed.
    Boot from Recovery Drive HDD-A, downloaded LionOSX.
    Next steps
    Format HDD-A and HDD-B into 2 partitions
    Install LionOSX on HDD A.
    Note:
    I did not do any software updates for about a week before 14.04.2012 and suspect it might be due to the virus.
    I normally work with the lid closed and attached to the ACD, I also suspect that overheating caused both drives to fail. However, I have been using this system with the lid closed for atleast a week. One Kernel Panic screen occured.

    Depending on what you are doing on the computer, how hard you are working the computer, it should not overheat. And if it does it should shut down or get very slow because when it starts to overheat the CPU will be throttled back to a lower Ghz speed and or just shut down so it doesn't cause damage to the CPU. The Kernel Panics are a sign that something else is going on. This could be software or hardware.
    If after wiping the drives and reinstall Lion on the SSD if the system is running OK then the drives are fine, IE they are not bad. There is something else corrupting them. Again this could be hardware or software, but I doubt it is heat. And using the MBP ion clamshell mode should not cause overheating or excessive heating of either of the drives.
    Have you installed iStat Pro or Menu and kept and eye on the temps? If not install iStat Pro and keep and eye on the temps. I bet they do not get above the 150°- 180°F mark which although hot is not overheating.
    Be very careful when calling Apple. Removing the DVD drive and installing a hard drive in that bay could void your warranty. The DVD is not a User Removable part and Apple frowns on doing that. So if you call them do not mention that you have replaced the DVD drive with another HDD.
    Honestly I suspect you have a hardware problem. But the only way to know that is to install just Lion and your basic programs and run the system. Leave out any AV type software, if you are running some. If you don't get any kernel panics thenn install some of your other software, one programm at a time. If with just the OS and basic software you get a kernel panic then it is hardware related and needs to be checked out by Apple. If you do that re-install the DVD and the original HDD with just the OS on it before you take it in.

  • Slow Mavericks - internal hard drive failure?

    Hi
    I recently updated my iMac 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5 4GB RAM to Mavericks. Before I was working on OS X Lion 10.7.5. Until the day I updated I never had any problems with my computer being slow, unless when I was using heavier applications or heavy files like in Adobe PS for example.
    Since I've updated however, it often happens that the icons in my launchpad load slowly, my computer shows the spinning circle more often, and especially Microsoft applications (Word and Excel) take much longer before they are launched. I don't think I have to explain how this is bugging me, since we all like a fast computer. So I kind of regret updating.
    I wanted to downgrade to 10.7.5 again, but this doesn't seem that easy even though I know my way around reformatting Apple computers…
    So this is kind of a last option. Now I went to the Apple store in Belgium, and they told me that it could be a bug and that I should wait for the next version (yeah right…) or that it could be my internal hard drive was failing. Now I tried to find some information on how to recognize a failing hard drive, but I mostly bumped in to extreme errors. So I was wondering how to know your internal drive is failing? Second of all could it be failing all of a sudden? Since I hadn't had those problems before I updated. Thirdly is it possible that the next update would solve these problems, as they mentioned? Could a clean install help?
    Anyway, I find it pretty weird, and there's a lot of different opinions and options, so I would like a more expert view on the problem, so get to a solution and an answer whether or not my disk could be failing, cause then I would like to get it replaced.
    Thanks in advance for your advice!
    Grts
    Matthias
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    When I entered the following query in Terminal this is what happened:
    syslog -k Sender kernel -k Message CReq 'GPU |hfs: Ru|I/O e|find tok|n Cause: -|NVDA\(|pagin|timed? ?o' | tail | awk '/:/{$4=""; print}' | open -ef
    It produced a text editor window without any content. It didn't take long either, just one or two seconds. (Is this normal?) Does this mean my hard drive is intact?
    Disconnect all non-essential wired peripherals and remove aftermarket expansion cards, if any. - there are none
    Reset the System Management Controller. - does this simply imply that I have to hold the power button for 10 seconds?
    Run Software Update. If there's a firmware update, install it. - done
    If you're booting from an aftermarket SSD, see whether there's a firmware update for it. - not the case
    If you have a portable computer, check the cycle count of the battery. It may be due for replacement.
    - not the case
    If you have many image or video files on the Desktop with preview icons, move them to another folder.
    - not the case
    If applicable, uncheck all boxes in the iCloud preference pane. See whether there's any change. - not an icloud user
    Check your keychains in Keychain Access for excessively duplicated items.
    - not the case either
    Boot into Recovery mode, launch Disk Utility, and run Repair Disk. - is this necesary if the former step didn't bring up any text in the text editor window?
    If you have a MacBook Pro with dual graphics, disable automatic graphics switching in the Energy Saverpreference pane for better performance at the cost of shorter battery life.
    - not the case
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