Spot removal tool lethargy with large image

Question: is there a way to speed up Spot Removal in my circumstance?
Background: 16-bit 4x5 scanned B & W image - 1.04GB .dng file
Win 7, 64-bit, 12 GB RAM, dual CPUs
With large images, spot removal is very slow, and becomes exceedingly slow as the number of spots increases.
I have Lightroom 5 configured to use 10 GB cache
I have cleared the cache, closed other apps, re-booted windows, with no increase in speed
Windows task manager reports 0-35% cpu load, 4-6GB RAM used including the 1.5 GB consumed by the OS
I do know that file size may be an issue -- Lightroom reported that a 1.32GB image is too large to load.
What will work, if anything, to speed this up?

PS CS5 and Camera Raw 6.x don't support the new features in LR 5. You need to use LR 'Edit in PS' and then select 'Edit a copy with Lightroom Adjustments.' Is that what you are doing? I'm using LR5.2 Final with PS CS6 and ASR 8.2 and it appears to work fine.
However I am expereincing the feathering issue with LR5.2 Spot Removal tool:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lr_5_2_is_not_rendering_correctly_ph otos_with_spot_removal_applied_in_lr4

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2- Configuring presets is one work-around option, though you will need at least couple of them tailored to your workflow.
3- Changing your import settings to an earlier Process Version is an option, then accomplishing Spot Removal on each photo, then updating the Process Version on one and copy/paste to the rest, then re-accomplishing for each photo the spots lost in the conversion and continuing your workflow from there.
Readers of this thread can use the link above, but it can introduce its own issues, too. As noted, switching back-and-forth between Process Versions can delete some of your already-corrected spots and you'll have to re-correct them. Worse, a window prompt asking to create a virtual copy or proof will occasionally begin popping up.. closing the window, clicking "cancel", or choosing any other option in that pop-up window won't be "remembered" and the window pops back up with any further "click" on the image. Lightroom has to be shut down and the computer restarted for the issue to reset.
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