Spot varnish in a pdf

Hi all
We have received a pdf from a client, which also has the spot UV varnish in it as a spot colour which is great.
We need to send the spot UV only to the finishers ie you only see the black areas for the varnish
The only way I can do this is via File - Print - Adobe pdf - switch off other colours - set up custom pager size
Is this THE way to do this or is there a easier less risky root
Thanks

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