Spotlight endless

What's wrong with spotlight???
It displays not " Indexing About 58660324 hours remaining".
I tried to reset Spotlight, to remove the drive from scanning preferences.
But once all back as before, it will scan my hard disk for hours endlessly.
Any clue?
Thanks

+1 Me too!
I stopped it when it quoted 2000+ hours - then it failed to shutdown - I'm on a Mac Pro - spotlight doesn't index endlessly when my other drives are removed - so i'm presuming it's a broken hard drive. I'll Backup & Zero it - to see if that works.
I thought it was faulty ram - but I think it makes sense that it's a faulty drive. - my crashes were when- opening finder windows - going to save dialogues, opening disk utility... and on shutdown...
It also crashed when trying to force quite spotlight from Activity Monitor & also when running the 10.5.6 combo updater.
I've removed it now - ran combo update, then softwareupdat ( with permission repairs in the middle) and whilst i've not done any heavy lifting yet - it seems to be OK.
if anyone can add to my "unqualified" diagnosis - please, please do. i'd like my thoughts confirmed - or beaten down...

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