Spry menu bar extra space

I have put a spry menu bar into Dreamweaver and everything is working except there is a small space on the left of the submenus inside the submenu border.It's kind of hard to see because everything is blue, but if you look closely you can see it.
I have played around with the css (and probably messed a few things up along the way), but I cannot seem to get rid of this space.
Screen shot and css below:
@charset "UTF-8";
/* SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css - version 0.6 - Spry Pre-Release 1.6.1 */
/* Copyright (c) 2006. Adobe Systems Incorporated. All rights reserved. */
LAYOUT INFORMATION: describes box model, positioning, z-order
/* The outermost container of the Menu Bar, an auto width box with no margin or padding */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style-type: none;
font-size: 100%;
cursor: default;
width: auto;
/* Set the active Menu Bar with this class, currently setting z-index to accomodate IE rendering bug: http://therealcrisp.xs4all.nl/meuk/IE-zindexbug.html */
ul.MenuBarActive
z-index: 1000;
/* Menu item containers, position children relative to this container and are a fixed width */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal li
padding: 0;
list-style-type: none;
font-size: 100%;
position: relative;
text-align: left;
cursor: pointer;
width: auto;
float: left;
margin-left: 3%;
/* Submenus should appear below their parent (top: 0) with a higher z-index, but they are initially off the left side of the screen (-1000em) */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style-type: none;
font-size: 100%;
z-index: 1020;
cursor: default;
width: 8.2em;
position: absolute;
left: -1000em;
/* Submenu that is showing with class designation MenuBarSubmenuVisible, we set left to auto so it comes onto the screen below its parent menu item */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
left: auto;
/* Menu item containers are same fixed width as parent */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul li
width: 8em;
/* Submenus should appear slightly overlapping to the right (95%) and up (-5%) */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul ul
position: absolute;
/* Submenu that is showing with class designation MenuBarSubmenuVisible, we set left to 0 so it comes onto the screen */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
left: 0px;
top: 0;
DESIGN INFORMATION: describes color scheme, borders, fonts
/* Submenu containers have borders on all sides */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul
border: 1px solid #CCC;
/* Menu items are a light gray block with padding and no text decoration */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a
display: block;
cursor: pointer;
color: #FFF;
text-decoration: none;
background-color: #173362;
/* Menu items that have mouse over or focus have a blue background and white text */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a:hover, ul.MenuBarHorizontal a:focus
background-color: #BCC5C2;
color: #000;
/* Menu items that are open with submenus are set to MenuBarItemHover with a blue background and white text */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemHover, ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover, ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
background-color: #173362;
color: #FF0;
SUBMENU INDICATION: styles if there is a submenu under a given menu item
/* Menu items that have a submenu have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenu and are set to use a background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemSubmenu
/* Menu items that have a submenu have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenu and are set to use a background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul a.MenuBarItemSubmenu
background-repeat: no-repeat;
/* Menu items that are open with submenus have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenuHover and are set to use a "hover" background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover
background-repeat: no-repeat;
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/* HACK FOR IE: to make sure the sub menus show above form controls, we underlay each submenu with an iframe */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal iframe
position: absolute;
z-index: 1010;
filter:alpha(opacity:0.1);
/* HACK FOR IE: to stabilize appearance of menu items; the slash in float is to keep IE 5.0 from parsing */
@media screen, projection
ul.MenuBarHorizontal li.MenuBarItemIE
display: inline;
f\loat: left;
background: #FFF;

Yes, I noticed the left margin after I had posted the reply. I guess I am doing my name proud with old age setting in.
I left the document and the CSS file as you had it and added the following style rules to correct the situation.
You can choose
add these to your document after the link to SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css
add these to the bottom of SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css
adjust the style rules within SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css to reflect the changes.
ul.MenuBarHorizontal li {
margin-left: 0;
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul li {
width: 8.2em;
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul ul {
     margin: -5% 0 0 95%;
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible {
     left: auto;
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a {
     padding: 0.5em 2.75em;
The highlighted values in the last style rule can/must be adjusted to suit.
Gramps

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    background: -webkit-linear-gradient(left, #f1da36 0%,#fefcea 100%); /* Chrome10+,Safari5.1+ */
    background: -o-linear-gradient(left, #f1da36 0%,#fefcea 100%); /* Opera 11.10+ */
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    background-color: #000000;
    position: relative;/* this gives IE6 hasLayout to properly clear */
    clear: both; /* this clear property forces the .container to understand where the columns end and contain them */
    font-family: "Comic Sans MS", cursive;
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    margin-left: 8px;
    .fltlft { /* this class can be used to float an element left in your page. The floated element must precede the element it should be next to on the page. */
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    clear:both;
    height:0;
    font-size: 1px;
    line-height: 0px;
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    margin: 0px;
    padding: 0px;
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    </style>
    <link href="SpryAssets/SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
    <!--[if lte IE 7]>
    <style>
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    <![endif]-->
    <script src="SpryAssets/SpryMenuBar.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
    </head>
    <body>
    <div class="container">
      <div class="header"><a href="#"><img src="BLTS1.jpg" alt="BLTS" name="BLTS" width="100%" height="100%" id="BLTS" style="display: block;" /></a>
       <ul id="MenuBar1" class="MenuBarHorizontal">
         <li><a class="MenuBarItemSubmenu" href="#"><center>Home</center></a></li>
         <li><a href="#"><center>Shows</center></a>
    <ul>
             <li><a href="#"><u>Upcoming shows</u><br />
    <br />
    May 4th 2013 @<img src="502.jpg" width="5%" height="5%"><br />
    Bright Like The Sun along with Little Science<br />
    8pm 21+
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                   </ul>
         </li>
         <li><a class="MenuBarItemSubmenu" href="#"><center>Merch</center></a>
           <ul>
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    Purchase Here or Itunes</a>
                        </li>
             <li><a href="#">Shirts--Coming Soon!</a></li>
             <li><a href="#">Various--Coming Soon!</a></li>
           </ul>
         </li>
         <li><a href="#"><center>Bio</center></a></li>
    <li><a href="#"><center>Contact</center></a></li>
    </ul><!-- end .header --></div>
    <div class="sidebar1">
      <p></p>
        <br />
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p> </p>
      </div> 
      <div class="content"><p align="right"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/brightlikethesun"><img src="FB.jpg" width="30" height="31" alt="Facebook" /></a><img src="twitter-icon.png" width="30" height="31" /></p>
        <p align="left"><img src="weare.jpg" width="185" height="72" /></p><p align="right"><iframe style="border:none" src="http://files.podsnack.com/iframe/embed.html?hash=adznldvg&t=1366488970" width="340" height="54" allowfullscreen="true" mozallowfullscreen="true" webkitallowfullscreen="true" ></iframe></p>
        <p><img src="BLTS2.jpg" alt="BLTS" width="411" height="297" align="left" /><img src="BLTS font.jpg" width="340" /> is a Post-Rock band from San Antonio. They were born in early 2012 from the collective desire to make beautiful, thought provoking, and at times, chaotic music. Much like fellow Texan bands like Explosions in the Sky and This Will Destroy You, they are entirely instrumental, and known for creating progressively intricate waves of ambiance that grow with intensity and an unabashed wash of emotion. Attuned to their affinity for dynamics, seeing them live takes the listener from deafening walls of orchestrated sound, to melodies so subtle that one finds themselves acutely aware of their own breathing. <br />
          Bright Like The Sun&rsquo;s debut album, Coda Fin, was engineered/mixed by Alex Bhore (of This Will Destroy You), and mastered by TW Walsh (of Pedro The Lion). The record, which was self released, was made available on April 12, 2013.<br /><br /><img src="BLTS3.jpg" width="330" height="245" align="right" /></p>
    <br />
    <br />
        <h4>Bright Like The Sun Consists of:</h4>
        <p>Rob Mochen - Guitar <br />
        Chris Etheredge - Guitar/Keys <br />
        Christian Miranda - Bass <br />
        Steven Barrera - Drums    </p>
        <p><br />
        </p>
        <h4><u>Coda Fin</u> Release Date April 12th 2013    </h4>
        <h4><img src="coda fin cover.jpg" width="250" height="238" align="left" /><img src="venues.jpg" width="171" height="65" align="right" /><br />
        <br />
        <br />
        <br />
           <a href="http://502bar.com/"><img src="502.jpg" width="150" height="112" align="right" /></a><a href="http://www.gypsyloungeaustin.com"><img src="gypsylounge.jpg" / width="150" height="112" align="right"></a></h4>
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      </div>
      <div class="footer">
        <p><font face="verdana" font size="2" font color="#FFFFFF">&#169;2013 Bright Like The Sun All Rights Reserved</font></p>
        <!-- end .footer --></div>
      <!-- end .container --></div>
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    </html>

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    You need a width on the ul.MenuBarVertical style. Make it the same width as the ul.MenuBarVertical li selector.
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    ul.MenuBarVertical ul li
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         float: none;
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    ul.MenuBarVertical ul
         border: .5px solid #CCC;
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    This
         <html>
    is insufficient.
    Apply this in its place, and run through the validator again.
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
    <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    Beth

  • Spry Menu Bar 2.0 (1.0) - Handling of widget generated CSS, placement and rendering problems in CSS

    Hello:
    I wanted to repost my question to re-frame the issue based on what I have learned thus far.
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    /*  -- Begins Spry Menu Widget 2.0 (1.0) Horizontal menu bar Custom styles --  */
    /* BeginOAWidget_Instance_2141544: #MenuBar */
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        .MenuBarVertical - vertical main bar; all submenus are pull-right.
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            MenuBarRightShrink - Just like MenuBarLeftShrink, but right aligned
            MenuBarFixedLeft - Fixed at a specified width set in the rule '.MenuBarFixedLeft', and left aligned. 
            MenuBarFixedCentered -  - Fixed at a specified width set in the rule '.MenuBarFixedCentered',
                            and centered in its parent container.
            MenuBarFullwidth - Grows to fill its parent container width.
        In general, all rules specified in this file are prefixed by #MenuBar so they only apply to instances of the widget inserted along
       with the rules. This permits use of multiple MenuBarBasic widgets onthe same page with different layouts. Because of IE6 limitations,
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    #MenuBar  {
        background-color:transparent;
       font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; /* Specify fonts on onMenuBar and subMenu MenuItemContainer, so MenuItemContainer,
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                                                    at a given level all use same definition for ems.
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                                                    so use caution in using relative sizes other than
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        font-weight: normal;
        font-size: 17px;
        font-style: normal;
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        display:none;
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        width: auto;
    .MenuBarRightShrink {
        float: right; /* shrink to content, as well as float the MenuBar */
        width: auto;
    .MenuBarFixedLeft {
        float: left;
        width: 80em;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered {
        float: none;
        width: 80em;
        margin-left:auto;
        margin-right:auto;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered br {
        clear:both;
        display:block;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered .SubMenu br {
        display:none;
    .MenuBarFullwidth {
        float: left;
        width: 100%;
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    #MenuBar  .MenuItemContainer {
        padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
        margin: 0;     /* Zero out margin  on the item containers. The MenuItem is the active hover area.
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                    or a child so we keep the entire submenu tiled with items.
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        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar .MenuItemLast {
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar  .MenuItem  .MenuItemLabel{
        text-align:center;
        line-height:1.4em;
        color:#ffffff;
        background-color:transparent;
        padding: 0px 18px 0px 5px;
        width: 10em;
        width:auto;
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        width:1em; /* Equivalent to min-width in modern browsers */
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    #MenuBar .SubMenu  .MenuItem {
        font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-weight: bold;
        font-size: 15px;
        font-style: normal;
        background-color:#000088;
        padding:0px 2px 0px 0px;
        border-width:0px;
        border-color: #cccccc #cccccc #cccccc #cccccc;
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        border-style: solid solid none solid;
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        border-style: none;
        padding: 0px;
    #MenuBar  .SubMenu .MenuItemFirst .MenuItemLabel{
        padding-top: 0px;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemLast {
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemLast .MenuItemLabel{
        padding-bottom: 10px;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItem .MenuItemLabel{
        text-align:left;
        line-height:1em;   
        background-color:transparent;
        color:#ffffff;
        padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px;
        width: 240px;
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        background-color: #2E35A3;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Nav igation%20Bar%20Segment%20Light2.png);
        background-repeat:repeat-x;
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        color: #ffffff;
    #MenuBar .MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel{
        background-color: transparent;
        color: #ffffff;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemHover {
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    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel{
        background-color: transparent;
        color: #ffffff;
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        border-style: none none none none;
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    /* EndOAWidget_Instance_2141544 */
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    body  {
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        background-color: #FCFCFC;
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        text-decoration: underline;
    a:visited {
        text-decoration: underline;
        color: #1B8DCD;
    a:hover {
        text-decoration: none;
        color: #F30A0A;
    a:active {
        text-decoration: underline;
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        margin: 0 auto; /* the auto margins (in conjunction with a width) center the page */
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        background-image:
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            background-image:
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        padding-top: 50px;
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        padding-right: 15px;
    .mainContent_left {
       margin: 0;/* the right margin on this div element creates the columndown the right side of the page - no matter how much content thesidebar1 div contains, the column space will remain. You can removethis margin if you want the #mainContent div's text to fill the#sidebar1 space when the content in #sidebar1 ends. */
        padding-left:30px;
        padding-right:20px; /* remember that padding is the space inside the div box and margin is the space outside the div box */
        width: 600px;
        float: left;
    .sidebar_right {
        float: right; /* since this element is floated, a width must be given */
        width: 270px; /* the actual width of this div, in standards-compliant browsers, or standards mode in Internet Explorer will include the padding and border in addition to the width */
        margin-top: 30px;
        margin-left:0;
        margin-right:10px;
        font-size:90%;
    .mainContent_right {
        margin-left: 10px;
        padding-left:30px;
        padding-right:20px;
        width: 600px;
        float: right;
    .sidebar_left {
        float: left; /* since this element is floated, a width must be given */
        width: 270px; /* the actual width of this div, in standards-compliant browsers, or standards mode in Internet Explorer will include the padding and border in addition to the width */
        margin-top: 30px;
        margin-left:30px;
        margin-right:0;
        overflow: hidden;
        font-size:90%;
    .main_content_centered {
        width: 650px;
        margin-left: 155px;
    .main_content_centered_header {
        margin-left: 75px;
    .sidebar_textbox {
        margin: 0px;   
        width: 260px;
        padding: 2px;
    .sidebar_textbox_header {
        width:255px;
        height:58px;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Por trait%20Textbox%20Header.png);
    .sidebar_textbox_background_middle {
         width: 255px;   
        padding-top: 12px;   
        padding-bottom: 10px;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Por trait%20Textbox%20Middle.png);
        background-repeat: repeat-y;
    .sidebar_textbox_content {
       /* The width and padding are set as follows to accomodate quirks inbrowser rendering and to ensure that text is contained within thebackground of the text box */
        width: 230px;
        padding-left: 20px;
        padding-right: 40px;
    .sidebar_textbox_footer {
        width:255px;
        height:64px;
    background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Port rait%20Textbox%20Footer.png);
    #issues_menu a:link {
        color: #151A96;
        text-decoration: none;
        font-weight:bold;
    #issues_menu a:visited {
        color: #151A96;
        font-weight:bold;
        text-decoration: none;
    #issues_menu a:hover {   
        color: #F30A0A;
        font-weight:bold;
        font-style: oblique;
        text-decoration: none;
    #issues_menu a:active {
        color: #151A96;
        font-weight:bold;
        text-decoration: none;
    #archives {
        padding-top: 15px;
        padding-right: 15px;
        padding-bottom: 20px;
        padding-left: 0px;
    .landscape_textbox {
        width: 500px;
        margin-right: 0px;
        margin-left: 30px;
        padding-top:35px;
        padding-bottom: 25px;
        font-style: normal;
        font-weight: normal;
    .landscape_textbox_hdr {
        width:500px;
        height:38px;
        margin:auto;
        padding:0;
        background-image:
    url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Landscape%20Textbox%2 0Header.png);
    .landscape_textbox_middle {
        width:auto;
        margin:auto;
        padding-top: 12px;
        padding-bottom: 12px;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/lan dscapte%20Textbox%20Middle.png);
        background-repeat:repeat-y;
    .landscape_textbox_content {
        width:450px;
        padding:25px;
    .landscape_textbox_ftr {
        width:500px;
        height:44px;
        margin:auto;
        padding:0;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Lan dscape%20Textbox%20Footer.png);
    #footer {
        padding: 0; /* this padding matches the left alignment of the elements in the divs that appear above it. */
        width: 960px;
        height: 222px;
        background-image:
        url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Website%20Footer%20_ 960.png);
        background-repeat:no-repeat;
    #footer p {
       margin: 0px; /* zeroing the margins of the first element in the footerwill avoid the possibility of margin collapse - a space between divs */
        padding:0px; /* padding on this element will create space, just as the the margin would have, without the margin collapse issue */
        text-align:center;
        margin-left: 50px;
        margin-right: 50px;
        padding: 10px;
        font-size: small;
    #footer h5 {
    text-align:center;
    .fltrt { /* this class can be used to float an element right in your page. The floated element must precede the element it should be next to on the page. */
        float: right;
        margin-left: 8px;
    .fltlft { /* this class can be used to float an element left in your page */
        float: left;
        margin-right: 8px;
    .clearfloat { /* this class should be placed on a div or break element and should be the final element before the close of a container that should fully contain a float */
        clear:both;
        height:0;
        font-size: 1px;
        line-height: 0px;
    .dropcap {
        display: block;
        float: left;
        line-height: 80%;
        font-size: 250%;
        font-weight: bolder;
        color: #000066;   
        padding: .03em .1em 0 0;
    .red_arrows {
        list-style-position: outside;
        list-style-image: url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Arrow%20Large.png);    
    .blue_bullets {
        list-style-position: outside;
        list-style-image: url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Bullet%20Medium%20Fu ll.png);   
    .attention {
        color: #F30A0A;
        font-size:x-large;
        font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
        font-style: italic;
        font-weight:900;
    .attention_small {
        color: #F30A0A;
        font-size:large;
        font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
        font-style: italic;
        font-weight:900;
    .table {
        table-layout:fixed;
    .blue {
        color: #00F;
    #container .mainContent_left p .blue {
        color: #0303A0;

    Hi Nancy:
    The specific code that I am referring to is the CSS code governing the styling of the spry menu widget that only works in IE 6 if, and only if, it remains in the head of the web page.  If removed and placed in a stylesheet, the IE plugins fail to compensate for the IE 6 "gap" bug.  As I said, it doesn't make sense to me that, assuming specificity is addressed, that these can not be included in an external style sheet.  I am looking for a) an explanation why they must remain embedded in the web page; and 2) any means by which I might be able to export them.
    I will reproduce the specific css style (code) below:  it should also be visable through reveal source --
    Thanks again, Steve Webster.
    The CSS governing the horizontal menu bar is as follows:  (currently the following CSS is embedded in the head of the web page)
    <style type="text/css">
    /*  -- Begins Spry Menu Widget 2.0 (1.0) Horizontal menu bar Custom styles --  */
    /* BeginOAWidget_Instance_2141544: #MenuBar */
    /* Settable values for skinning a Basic menu via presets. If presets are not sufficient, most skinning should be done in
       these rules, with the exception of the images used for down or rightpointing arrows, which are in the file SpryMenuBasic.css
         These assume the following widget classes for menu layout (set in a preset)
       .MenuBar - Applies to all menubars - default is horizontal bar, allsubmenus are vertical - 2nd level subs and beyond are pull-right.
        .MenuBarVertical - vertical main bar; all submenus are pull-right.
       You can also pass in extra classnames to set your desired top levelmenu bar layout. Normally, these are set by using a preset.
        They only apply to horizontal menu bars:
            MenuBarLeftShrink - The menu bar will be horizontally 'shrinkwrapped' to be just large enough to hold its items, and left aligned
            MenuBarRightShrink - Just like MenuBarLeftShrink, but right aligned
            MenuBarFixedLeft - Fixed at a specified width set in the rule '.MenuBarFixedLeft', and left aligned. 
            MenuBarFixedCentered -  - Fixed at a specified width set in the rule '.MenuBarFixedCentered',
                            and centered in its parent container.
            MenuBarFullwidth - Grows to fill its parent container width.
        In general, all rules specified in this file are prefixed by #MenuBar so they only apply to instances of the widget inserted along
       with the rules. This permits use of multiple MenuBarBasic widgets onthe same page with different layouts. Because of IE6 limitations,
        there are a few rules where this was not possible. Those rules are so noted in comments.
    #MenuBar  {
        background-color:transparent;
       font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; /* Specify fonts on onMenuBar and subMenu MenuItemContainer, so MenuItemContainer,
                                                    MenuItem, and MenuItemLabel
                                                    at a given level all use same definition for ems.
                                                    Note that this means the size is also inherited to child submenus,
                                                    so use caution in using relative sizes other than
                                                    100% on submenu fonts. */
        font-weight: normal;
        font-size: 17px;
        font-style: normal;
        padding:0;
    /* Caution: because ID+class selectors do not work properly in IE6, but we want to restrict these rules to just this
    widget instance, we have used string-concatenated classnames for our selectors for the layout type of the menubar
    in this section. These have very low specificity, so be careful not to accidentally override them. */
    .MenuBar br { /* using just a class so it has same specificity as the ".MenuBarFixedCentered br" rule bleow */
        display:none;
    .MenuBarLeftShrink {
        float: left; /* shrink to content, as well as float the MenuBar */
        width: auto;
    .MenuBarRightShrink {
        float: right; /* shrink to content, as well as float the MenuBar */
        width: auto;
    .MenuBarFixedLeft {
        float: left;
        width: 80em;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered {
        float: none;
        width: 80em;
        margin-left:auto;
        margin-right:auto;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered br {
        clear:both;
        display:block;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered .SubMenu br {
        display:none;
    .MenuBarFullwidth {
        float: left;
        width: 100%;
    /* Top level menubar items - these actually apply to all items, and get overridden for 1st or successive level submenus */
    #MenuBar  .MenuItemContainer {
        padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
        margin: 0;     /* Zero out margin  on the item containers. The MenuItem is the active hover area.
                    For most items, we have to do top or bottom padding or borders only on the MenuItem
                    or a child so we keep the entire submenu tiled with items.
                    Setting this to 0 avoids "dead spots" for hovering. */
    #MenuBar  .MenuItem {
        padding: 10px 10px 10px 4px;
        background-color:#000088;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Nav igation%20Bar%20Segment-Dark.png);
        background-repeat:repeat-x;       
    #MenuBar  .MenuItemFirst {
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar .MenuItemLast {
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar  .MenuItem  .MenuItemLabel{
        text-align:center;
        line-height:1.4em;
        color:#ffffff;
        background-color:transparent;
        padding: 0px 18px 0px 5px;
        width: 10em;
        width:auto;
    .SpryIsIE6 #MenuBar  .MenuItem  .MenuItemLabel{
        width:1em; /* Equivalent to min-width in modern browsers */
    /* First level submenu items */
    #MenuBar .SubMenu  .MenuItem {
        font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-weight: bold;
        font-size: 15px;
        font-style: normal;
        background-color:#000088;
        padding:0px 2px 0px 0px;
        border-width:0px;
        border-color: #cccccc #cccccc #cccccc #cccccc;
        /* Border styles are overriden by first and last items */
        border-style: solid solid none solid;
    #MenuBar  .SubMenu .MenuItemFirst {
        border-style: none;
        padding: 0px;
    #MenuBar  .SubMenu .MenuItemFirst .MenuItemLabel{
        padding-top: 0px;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemLast {
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemLast .MenuItemLabel{
        padding-bottom: 10px;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItem .MenuItemLabel{
        text-align:left;
        line-height:1em;   
        background-color:transparent;
        color:#ffffff;
        padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px;
        width: 240px;
    /* Hover states for containers, items and labels */
    #MenuBar .MenuItemHover {
        background-color: #2E35A3;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Nav igation%20Bar%20Segment%20Light2.png);
        background-repeat:repeat-x;
    #MenuBar .MenuItemWithSubMenu.MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel{
        background-color: transparent; /* consider exposing this prop separately*/
        color: #ffffff;
    #MenuBar .MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel{
        background-color: transparent;
        color: #ffffff;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemHover {
        background-color:#2E35A3;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel{
        background-color: transparent;
        color: #ffffff;
    /* Submenu properties -- First level of submenus */
    #MenuBar .SubMenuVisible {
        background-color: transparent;
       min-width:0%;  /* This keeps the menu from being skinnier than theparent MenuItemContainer - nice to have but not available on ie6 */
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar.MenuBar .SubMenuVisible {/* For Horizontal menubar only */
        top: 100%;    /* 100% is at the bottom of parent menuItemContainer */
        left:0px; /* 'left' may need tuning depending upon borders or padding applied to menubar MenuItemContainer or MenuItem,
                        and your personal taste.
                       0px will left align the dropdown with the content area of theMenuItemContainer. Assuming you keep the margins 0
                        on MenuItemContainer and MenuItem on the parent
                        menubar, making this equal the sum of the MenuItemContainer & MenuItem padding-left will align
                        the dropdown with the left of the menu item label.*/
        z-index:10;
    #MenuBar.MenuBarVertical .SubMenuVisible {
        top: 0px;   
        left:100%;
        min-width:0px; /* Do not neeed to match width to parent MenuItemContainer - items will prevent total collapse */
    /* Submenu properties -- Second level submenu and beyond - these are visible descendents of .MenuLevel1 */
    #MenuBar .MenuLevel1 .SubMenuVisible {
        background-color: transparent;
        min-width:0px; /* Do not neeed to match width to parent MenuItemContainer - items will prevent total collapse*/
        top: 0px;    /* If desired, you can move this down a smidge to separate top item''s submenu from menubar -
                    that is really only needed for submenu on first item of MenuLevel1, or you can make it negative to make submenu more
                    vertically 'centered' on its invoking item */
        left:100%; /* If you want to shift the submenu left to partially cover its invoking item, you can add a margin-left with a
                    negative value to this rule. Alternatively, if you use fixed-width items, you can change this left value
                    to use px or ems to get the offset you want. */
    /* IE6 rules - you can delete these if you do not want to support IE6 */
    /* A note about multiple classes in IE6.
    * Some of the rules above use multiple class names on an element forselection, such as "hover" (MenuItemHover) and "has a subMenu"(MenuItemWithSubMenu),
    * giving the selector '.MenuItemWithSubMenu.MenuItemHover'.
    * Unfortunately IE6 does not support using mutiple classnames in aselector for an element. For a selector such as '.foo.bar.baz', IE6ignores
    * all but the final classname (here, '.baz'), and sets thespecificity accordingly, counting just one of those classs assignificant. To get around this
    * problem, we use the plugin in SpryMenuBarIEWorkaroundsPlugin.js to generate compound classnames for IE6, such as 'MenuItemWithSubMenuHover'.
    * Since there are a lotof these needed, the plugin does not generate the extra classes formodern browsers, and we use the CSS2 style mutltiple class
    * syntax for that. Since IE6 both applies rules where
    * it should not, and gets the specificity wrong too, we have to order rules carefully, so the rule misapplied in IE6 can be overridden.
    * So, we put the multiple class rule first. IE6 will mistakenly apply this rule.  We follow this with the single-class rule that it would
    * mistakenly override, making sure the  misinterpreted IE6 specificity is the same as the single-class selector, so the latter wins.
    * We then create a copy of the multiple class rule, adding a '.SpryIsIE6' class as context, and making sure the specificity for
    * the selector is high enough to beat the single-class rule in the "both classes match" case. We place the IE6 rule at the end of the
    * css style block to make it easy to delete if you want to drop IE6 support.
    * If you decide you do not need IE6 support, you can get rid of these,as well as the inclusion of the SpryMenuBarIEWorkaroundsPlugin.jsscript.
    * The 'SpryIsIE6' class is placed on the HTML element by the script in SpryMenuBarIEWorkaroundsPlugin.js if the browser isInternet Explorer 6. This avoids the necessity of IE conditionalcomments for these rules.
    .SpryIsIE6 #MenuBar .MenuBarView .MenuItemWithSubMenuHover .MenuItemLabel /* IE6 selector  */{
        background-color: transparent; /* consider exposing this prop separately*/
        color: #ffffff;
    .SpryIsIE6 #MenuBar .MenuBarView .SubMenu .MenuItemWithSubMenuHover .MenuItemLabel/* IE6 selector  */{
        background-color: transparent; /* consider exposing this prop separately*/
        color: #ffffff;
    .SpryIsIE6 #MenuBar .SubMenu .SubMenu  /* IE6 selector  */{
        margin-left: -0px; /* Compensates for at least part of an IE6 "double padding" version of the "double margin" bug */
    /* EndOAWidget_Instance_2141544 */
    /* Ends Spry Menu Bar Widget 2.0 (1.0) Horizontal Menu Custom styles */
    </style>

  • Problem with Spry Menu Bar 2.0 (1.0) re - CSS

    Hello:
    I am having some difficulty with a Spry Menu Bar (horizontal) 2.0 (1.0)  that I have created.  Initially I thought the problem was with regard to rendering issues on IE 6.0, however the problem seems to be more general than that and I have come to believe that it has to do with the CSS created by the Widget Browser and modified once imported into the webpage.  Hence I have elected to post my issue here rather than on the spry page.
    I have relied on the tutorial provided by David Powers (Bayside.css) and in addition other documentation regarding the Spry menu bar UI.  The problem appeared to be one of IE 6 rendering the page with a gap that is created when the drop down menus appear, thus pushing down any divs that appear below the page.
    However, through a painstaking process of trial and error my problem now seems to be that when I export the CSS generated by the widget browser to an external style sheet (the general style sheet governing the whole site), it conflicts with other CSS styles regarding links etc.  The end result is that all the padding, background colours, background images, and text colours are lost.  So long as the CSS remains within the head this doesn't happen.
    My thinking is that this must have to do with issues of specificity, inheritence, etc.
    The site can be viewed at the following URL: http://www.aclco.org/testing/index.html.  In its current form all CSS related to the menu bar is found in the head of each page.  (see CSS below).
    My question is can I establish a separate style sheet for the horizontal menu bar and have those styles applied specifically (and only) to the menu bar.  My only other alternative is to work through the remainder of the general style sheet and work through any issues of specificity/inheritance -- which may be the "best" practice, but it risks causing other "cascading" [sic] problems elsewhere.
    Any advice or suggestions or directed reading (that would point to a solution) that could be offered would be greatly appreciated.
    Steve Webster
    The CSS governing the horizontal menu bar is as follows:  (currently the following CSS is embedded in the head of the web page)
    <style type="text/css">
    /*  -- Begins Spry Menu Widget 2.0 (1.0) Horizontal menu bar Custom styles --  */
    /* BeginOAWidget_Instance_2141544: #MenuBar */
    /* Settable values for skinning a Basic menu via presets. If presets are not sufficient, most skinning should be done in
        these rules, with the exception of the images used for down or right pointing arrows, which are in the file SpryMenuBasic.css
         These assume the following widget classes for menu layout (set in a preset)
        .MenuBar - Applies to all menubars - default is horizontal bar, all submenus are vertical - 2nd level subs and beyond are pull-right.
        .MenuBarVertical - vertical main bar; all submenus are pull-right.
        You can also pass in extra classnames to set your desired top level menu bar layout. Normally, these are set by using a preset.
        They only apply to horizontal menu bars:
            MenuBarLeftShrink - The menu bar will be horizontally 'shrinkwrapped' to be just large enough to hold its items, and left aligned
            MenuBarRightShrink - Just like MenuBarLeftShrink, but right aligned
            MenuBarFixedLeft - Fixed at a specified width set in the rule '.MenuBarFixedLeft', and left aligned. 
            MenuBarFixedCentered -  - Fixed at a specified width set in the rule '.MenuBarFixedCentered',
                            and centered in its parent container.
            MenuBarFullwidth - Grows to fill its parent container width.
        In general, all rules specified in this file are prefixed by #MenuBar so they only apply to instances of the widget inserted along
        with the rules. This permits use of multiple MenuBarBasic widgets on the same page with different layouts. Because of IE6 limitations,
        there are a few rules where this was not possible. Those rules are so noted in comments.
    #MenuBar  {
        background-color:transparent;
        font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; /* Specify fonts on on MenuBar and subMenu MenuItemContainer, so MenuItemContainer,
                                                    MenuItem, and MenuItemLabel
                                                    at a given level all use same definition for ems.
                                                    Note that this means the size is also inherited to child submenus,
                                                    so use caution in using relative sizes other than
                                                    100% on submenu fonts. */
        font-weight: normal;
        font-size: 17px;
        font-style: normal;
        padding:0;
    /* Caution: because ID+class selectors do not work properly in IE6, but we want to restrict these rules to just this
    widget instance, we have used string-concatenated classnames for our selectors for the layout type of the menubar
    in this section. These have very low specificity, so be careful not to accidentally override them. */
    .MenuBar br { /* using just a class so it has same specificity as the ".MenuBarFixedCentered br" rule bleow */
        display:none;
    .MenuBarLeftShrink {
        float: left; /* shrink to content, as well as float the MenuBar */
        width: auto;
    .MenuBarRightShrink {
        float: right; /* shrink to content, as well as float the MenuBar */
        width: auto;
    .MenuBarFixedLeft {
        float: left;
        width: 80em;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered {
        float: none;
        width: 80em;
        margin-left:auto;
        margin-right:auto;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered br {
        clear:both;
        display:block;
    .MenuBarFixedCentered .SubMenu br {
        display:none;
    .MenuBarFullwidth {
        float: left;
        width: 100%;
    /* Top level menubar items - these actually apply to all items, and get overridden for 1st or successive level submenus */
    #MenuBar  .MenuItemContainer {
        padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
        margin: 0;     /* Zero out margin  on the item containers. The MenuItem is the active hover area.
                    For most items, we have to do top or bottom padding or borders only on the MenuItem
                    or a child so we keep the entire submenu tiled with items.
                    Setting this to 0 avoids "dead spots" for hovering. */
    #MenuBar  .MenuItem {
        padding: 10px 10px 10px 4px;
        background-color:#000088;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Navigation%20Bar%20Segm ent-Dark.png);
        background-repeat:repeat-x;       
    #MenuBar  .MenuItemFirst {
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar .MenuItemLast {
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar  .MenuItem  .MenuItemLabel{
        text-align:center;
        line-height:1.4em;
        color:#ffffff;
        background-color:transparent;
        padding: 0px 18px 0px 5px;
        width: 10em;
        width:auto;
    .SpryIsIE6 #MenuBar  .MenuItem  .MenuItemLabel{
        width:1em; /* Equivalent to min-width in modern browsers */
    /* First level submenu items */
    #MenuBar .SubMenu  .MenuItem {
        font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        font-weight: bold;
        font-size: 15px;
        font-style: normal;
        background-color:#000088;
        padding:0px 2px 0px 0px;
        border-width:0px;
        border-color: #cccccc #cccccc #cccccc #cccccc;
        /* Border styles are overriden by first and last items */
        border-style: solid solid none solid;
    #MenuBar  .SubMenu .MenuItemFirst {
        border-style: none;
        padding: 0px;
    #MenuBar  .SubMenu .MenuItemFirst .MenuItemLabel{
        padding-top: 0px;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemLast {
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemLast .MenuItemLabel{
        padding-bottom: 10px;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItem .MenuItemLabel{
        text-align:left;
        line-height:1em;   
        background-color:transparent;
        color:#ffffff;
        padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px;
        width: 240px;
    /* Hover states for containers, items and labels */
    #MenuBar .MenuItemHover {
        background-color: #2E35A3;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Navigation%20Bar%20Segm ent%20Light2.png);
        background-repeat:repeat-x;
    #MenuBar .MenuItemWithSubMenu.MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel{
        background-color: transparent; /* consider exposing this prop separately*/
        color: #ffffff;
    #MenuBar .MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel{
        background-color: transparent;
        color: #ffffff;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemHover {
        background-color:#2E35A3;
    #MenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel{
        background-color: transparent;
        color: #ffffff;
    /* Submenu properties -- First level of submenus */
    #MenuBar .SubMenuVisible {
        background-color: transparent;
        min-width:0%;  /* This keeps the menu from being skinnier than the parent MenuItemContainer - nice to have but not available on ie6 */
        border-style: none none none none;
    #MenuBar.MenuBar .SubMenuVisible {/* For Horizontal menubar only */
        top: 100%;    /* 100% is at the bottom of parent menuItemContainer */
        left:0px; /* 'left' may need tuning depending upon borders or padding applied to menubar MenuItemContainer or MenuItem,
                        and your personal taste.
                        0px will left align the dropdown with the content area of the MenuItemContainer. Assuming you keep the margins 0
                        on MenuItemContainer and MenuItem on the parent
                        menubar, making this equal the sum of the MenuItemContainer & MenuItem padding-left will align
                        the dropdown with the left of the menu item label.*/
        z-index:10;
    #MenuBar.MenuBarVertical .SubMenuVisible {
        top: 0px;   
        left:100%;
        min-width:0px; /* Do not neeed to match width to parent MenuItemContainer - items will prevent total collapse */
    /* Submenu properties -- Second level submenu and beyond - these are visible descendents of .MenuLevel1 */
    #MenuBar .MenuLevel1 .SubMenuVisible {
        background-color: transparent;
        min-width:0px; /* Do not neeed to match width to parent MenuItemContainer - items will prevent total collapse*/
        top: 0px;    /* If desired, you can move this down a smidge to separate top item''s submenu from menubar -
                    that is really only needed for submenu on first item of MenuLevel1, or you can make it negative to make submenu more
                    vertically 'centered' on its invoking item */
        left:100%; /* If you want to shift the submenu left to partially cover its invoking item, you can add a margin-left with a
                    negative value to this rule. Alternatively, if you use fixed-width items, you can change this left value
                    to use px or ems to get the offset you want. */
    /* IE6 rules - you can delete these if you do not want to support IE6 */
    /* A note about multiple classes in IE6.
    * Some of the rules above use multiple class names on an element for selection, such as "hover" (MenuItemHover) and "has a subMenu" (MenuItemWithSubMenu),
    * giving the selector '.MenuItemWithSubMenu.MenuItemHover'.
    * Unfortunately IE6 does not support using mutiple classnames in a selector for an element. For a selector such as '.foo.bar.baz', IE6 ignores
    * all but the final classname (here, '.baz'), and sets the specificity accordingly, counting just one of those classs as significant. To get around this
    * problem, we use the plugin in SpryMenuBarIEWorkaroundsPlugin.js to generate compound classnames for IE6, such as 'MenuItemWithSubMenuHover'.
    * Since there are a lot of these needed, the plugin does not generate the extra classes for modern browsers, and we use the CSS2 style mutltiple class
    * syntax for that. Since IE6 both applies rules where
    * it should not, and gets the specificity wrong too, we have to order rules carefully, so the rule misapplied in IE6 can be overridden.
    * So, we put the multiple class rule first. IE6 will mistakenly apply this rule.  We follow this with the single-class rule that it would
    * mistakenly override, making sure the  misinterpreted IE6 specificity is the same as the single-class selector, so the latter wins.
    * We then create a copy of the multiple class rule, adding a '.SpryIsIE6' class as context, and making sure the specificity for
    * the selector is high enough to beat the single-class rule in the "both classes match" case. We place the IE6 rule at the end of the
    * css style block to make it easy to delete if you want to drop IE6 support.
    * If you decide you do not need IE6 support, you can get rid of these, as well as the inclusion of the SpryMenuBarIEWorkaroundsPlugin.js script.
    * The 'SpryIsIE6' class is placed on the HTML element by  the script in SpryMenuBarIEWorkaroundsPlugin.js if the browser is Internet Explorer 6. This avoids the necessity of IE conditional comments for these rules.
    .SpryIsIE6 #MenuBar .MenuBarView .MenuItemWithSubMenuHover .MenuItemLabel /* IE6 selector  */{
        background-color: transparent; /* consider exposing this prop separately*/
        color: #ffffff;
    .SpryIsIE6 #MenuBar .MenuBarView .SubMenu .MenuItemWithSubMenuHover .MenuItemLabel/* IE6 selector  */{
        background-color: transparent; /* consider exposing this prop separately*/
        color: #ffffff;
    .SpryIsIE6 #MenuBar .SubMenu .SubMenu  /* IE6 selector  */{
        margin-left: -0px; /* Compensates for at least part of an IE6 "double padding" version of the "double margin" bug */
    /* EndOAWidget_Instance_2141544 */
    /* Ends Spry Menu Bar Widget 2.0 (1.0) Horizontal Menu Custom styles */
    </style>
    The CSS governing the site generally is reproduced below:  (my belief is that it is the a:link, a:visited,  a:hover, a:active styles that may be in conflict).
    @charset "utf-8";
    body  {
        font: 100% Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
        min-height: 0; /* This is necessary to overcome the "haslayout" bug that is found in Windows 7 in conjuction with IE8.  For More information see: URL -- http://reference.sitepoint.com/css/haslayout.html */
        margin: 0; /* it's good practice to zero the margin and padding of the body element to account for differing browser defaults */
        padding: 0;
        text-align:center; /* This allows for the centering of the container and overcomes a bug inherent in IE 5 */
        color: #000000;
        list-style-image: none;
        background-color: #FCFCFC;
    h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6 {
    color:#000066;
    a:link {
        color: #151A96;
        text-decoration: underline;
    a:visited {
        text-decoration: underline;
        color: #1B8DCD;
    a:hover {
        text-decoration: none;
        color: #F30A0A;
    a:active {
        text-decoration: underline;
        color: #151A96;
    #container {
        width: 960px;   
        margin: 0 auto; /* the auto margins (in conjunction with a width) center the page */
        text-align: left; /* this overrides the text-align: center on the body element. */
        background-image:
        url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Website%20Midsection%20_960.png);
        background-repeat: repeat-y;
    #header {
            padding: 0;  /* this padding matches the left alignment of the elements in the divs that appear beneath it. If an image is used in the #header instead of text, you may want to remove the padding. */
            width:960px;
            height:332px;
            background-image:
            url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Website%20Header_960.png);
            background-repeat:no-repeat;
    #header h1 {
        margin-right: 0px; /* zeroing the margin of the last element in the #header div will avoid margin collapse - an unexplainable space between divs. If the div has a border around it, this is not necessary as that also avoids the margin collapse */
        padding: 0; /* using padding instead of margin will allow you to keep the element away from the edges of the div */
        display:none;
    #header img {
        display: none;
    #Main_nav_contents {
        padding: 0;
        margin-top: 0px;
        height: 39px;
        width: 950px;       
        padding-top: 275px; 
        padding-left: 39px;
        z-index: 3; 
    #MenuBarVertical {
        margin-bottom: 50px;
        padding-top: 50px;
        padding-bottom:200px;
        padding-left: 15px;
        padding-right: 15px;
    .mainContent_left {
        margin: 0;/* the right margin on this div element creates the column down the right side of the page - no matter how much content the sidebar1 div contains, the column space will remain. You can remove this margin if you want the #mainContent div's text to fill the #sidebar1 space when the content in #sidebar1 ends. */
        padding-left:30px;
        padding-right:20px; /* remember that padding is the space inside the div box and margin is the space outside the div box */
        width: 600px;
        float: left;
    .sidebar_right {
        float: right; /* since this element is floated, a width must be given */
        width: 270px; /* the actual width of this div, in standards-compliant browsers, or standards mode in Internet Explorer will include the padding and border in addition to the width */
        margin-top: 30px;
        margin-left:0;
        margin-right:10px;
        font-size:90%;
    .mainContent_right {
        margin-left: 10px;
        padding-left:30px;
        padding-right:20px;
        width: 600px;
        float: right;
    .sidebar_left {
        float: left; /* since this element is floated, a width must be given */
        width: 270px; /* the actual width of this div, in standards-compliant browsers, or standards mode in Internet Explorer will include the padding and border in addition to the width */
        margin-top: 30px;
        margin-left:30px;
        margin-right:0;
        overflow: hidden;
        font-size:90%;
    .main_content_centered {
        width: 650px;
        margin-left: 155px;
    .main_content_centered_header {
        margin-left: 75px;
    .sidebar_textbox {
        margin: 0px;   
        width: 260px;
        padding: 2px;
    .sidebar_textbox_header {
        width:255px;
        height:58px;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Portrait%20Textbox%20He ader.png);
    .sidebar_textbox_background_middle {
         width: 255px;   
        padding-top: 12px;   
        padding-bottom: 10px;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Portrait%20Textbox%20Mi ddle.png);
        background-repeat: repeat-y;
    .sidebar_textbox_content {
        /* The width and padding are set as follows to accomodate quirks in browser rendering and to ensure that text is contained within the background of the text box */
        width: 230px;
        padding-left: 20px;
        padding-right: 40px;
    .sidebar_textbox_footer {
        width:255px;
        height:64px;
    background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Portrait%20Textbox%20Foo ter.png);
    #issues_menu a:link {
        color: #151A96;
        text-decoration: none;
        font-weight:bold;
    #issues_menu a:visited {
        color: #151A96;
        font-weight:bold;
        text-decoration: none;
    #issues_menu a:hover {   
        color: #F30A0A;
        font-weight:bold;
        font-style: oblique;
        text-decoration: none;
    #issues_menu a:active {
        color: #151A96;
        font-weight:bold;
        text-decoration: none;
    #archives {
        padding-top: 15px;
        padding-right: 15px;
        padding-bottom: 20px;
        padding-left: 0px;
    .landscape_textbox {
        width: 500px;
        margin-right: 0px;
        margin-left: 30px;
        padding-top:35px;
        padding-bottom: 25px;
        font-style: normal;
        font-weight: normal;
    .landscape_textbox_hdr {
        width:500px;
        height:38px;
        margin:auto;
        padding:0;
        background-image:
    url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Landscape%20Textbox%20Header.png);
    .landscape_textbox_middle {
        width:auto;
        margin:auto;
        padding-top: 12px;
        padding-bottom: 12px;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/landscapte%20Textbox%20 Middle.png);
        background-repeat:repeat-y;
    .landscape_textbox_content {
        width:450px;
        padding:25px;
    .landscape_textbox_ftr {
        width:500px;
        height:44px;
        margin:auto;
        padding:0;
        background-image:url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Landscape%20Textbox%20F ooter.png);
    #footer {
        padding: 0; /* this padding matches the left alignment of the elements in the divs that appear above it. */
        width: 960px;
        height: 222px;
        background-image:
        url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Website%20Footer%20_960.png);
        background-repeat:no-repeat;
    #footer p {
        margin: 0px; /* zeroing the margins of the first element in the footer will avoid the possibility of margin collapse - a space between divs */
        padding:0px; /* padding on this element will create space, just as the the margin would have, without the margin collapse issue */
        text-align:center;
        margin-left: 50px;
        margin-right: 50px;
        padding: 10px;
        font-size: small;
    #footer h5 {
    text-align:center;
    .fltrt { /* this class can be used to float an element right in your page. The floated element must precede the element it should be next to on the page. */
        float: right;
        margin-left: 8px;
    .fltlft { /* this class can be used to float an element left in your page */
        float: left;
        margin-right: 8px;
    .clearfloat { /* this class should be placed on a div or break element and should be the final element before the close of a container that should fully contain a float */
        clear:both;
        height:0;
        font-size: 1px;
        line-height: 0px;
    .dropcap {
        display: block;
        float: left;
        line-height: 80%;
        font-size: 250%;
        font-weight: bolder;
        color: #000066;   
        padding: .03em .1em 0 0;
    .red_arrows {
        list-style-position: outside;
        list-style-image: url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Arrow%20Large.png);   
    .blue_bullets {
        list-style-position: outside;
        list-style-image: url(../ACLCO%20Graphics%20-%20Web%20site%20Parts/Bullet%20Medium%20Full.png);   
    .attention {
        color: #F30A0A;
        font-size:x-large;
        font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
        font-style: italic;
        font-weight:900;
    .attention_small {
        color: #F30A0A;
        font-size:large;
        font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
        font-style: italic;
        font-weight:900;
    .table {
        table-layout:fixed;
    .blue {
        color: #00F;
    #container .mainContent_left p .blue {
        color: #0303A0;

    Hello Martin:
    Thanks for your input.  However I am not certain we have resolved this issue adequately, or understand the principles governing the css as regards this spry menu framework 2.0 (1.0).
    For example, the menu only works in IE 6.0 if the css remains in the head.  I agree with your original post that it shouldn't make any difference whether the css is posted in the head or in a separate style sheet (so long as specificity issues are addressed).  Both should work -- and yet it doesn't.
    If the CSS is placed in the separate style sheet governing the total site, it doesn't work for 6.0.  If placed at the top of the style sheet, conflicts of specificity prevent the menu from rendering properly in any of the browsers causing the rules for general links to govern the menu.   This has been verified using a cross browser testing.  If the styles are placed at the bottom of the style sheet to help them take precedence, they work in all the browsers except for IE 6.
    The website I am building needs to support IE 6 for a variety of reasons, and because it is catering to the non-profit community and to low income persons, I am mindful of even small differences in page weight.
    So for me, at least, the issue remains baffling.
    I appreciate your input, but also would appreciate the input from others, and especially Adobe Community Professionals and employees.  The spry framework in this regard is not well documented.  I am not certain if this is exclusively a CSS problem, if it might also be complicated by the architecture of the spry framework, or if indeed other variables are at play.
    I would be my hope that in resolving the problem, other users of the this particular spry framework might also benefit.
    Thanks,
    Steve.

  • I was working on my spry menu bar and now my sidebar1 photo moves with the menu bar?

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    I can noit for the life of me figure out what changed and somehow was so excited about my spry menu bar working that I did not save the most recent working page.    Can anybody look at this with me and let me know what changed to mess the page up on me.
    Thanks a million.
    Ted
    site is located here http://www.subzerorefrigeration.com 
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    Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
    <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
    <title>Sub Zero Refrigeration Heating and Air Conditioning in Midlothian Illinois</title>
    <style type="text/css">
    <!--
    body {
        margin: 0;
        padding: 20;
        color: #000;
        background-color: #b7e3ea;
        font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif;
        font-size: 100%;
        line-height: 1.4;
    /* ~~ Element/tag selectors ~~ */
    ul, ol, dl { /* Due to variations between browsers, it's best practices to zero padding and margin on lists. For consistency, you can either specify the amounts you want here, or on the list items (LI, DT, DD) they contain. Remember that what you do here will cascade to the .nav list unless you write a more specific selector. */
        padding: 0;
        margin: 0;
    h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6, p {
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        padding-right: 15px;
        padding-left: 15px; /* adding the padding to the sides of the elements within the divs, instead of the divs themselves, gets rid of any box model math. A nested div with side padding can also be used as an alternate method. */
        color: #000099;
    a img { /* this selector removes the default blue border displayed in some browsers around an image when it is surrounded by a link */
        border: none;
    /* ~~ Styling for your site's links must remain in this order - including the group of selectors that create the hover effect. ~~ */
    a:link {
        color: #42413C;
        text-decoration: underline; /* unless you style your links to look extremely unique, it's best to provide underlines for quick visual identification */
    a:visited {
        color: #6E6C64;
        text-decoration: underline;
    a:hover, a:active, a:focus { /* this group of selectors will give a keyboard navigator the same hover experience as the person using a mouse. */
        text-decoration: none;
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    .container {
        width: 960px;
        background: #FFF; /* the auto value on the sides, coupled with the width, centers the layout */
        margin-top: 0;
        margin-right: auto;
        margin-bottom: 0;
        margin-left: auto;
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    .header {
        background-color: #b7e3ea;
        padding: 0px;
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    .sidebar1 {
        float: left;
        width: 180px;
        padding-bottom: 10px;
        background-color: #FFFFFF;
        padding-top: 30px;
    .content {
        padding: 10px 0;
        width: 780px;
        float: left;
    /* ~~ This grouped selector gives the lists in the .content area space ~~ */
    .content ul, .content ol {
        padding: 0 15px 15px 40px; /* this padding mirrors the right padding in the headings and paragraph rule above. Padding was placed on the bottom for space between other elements on the lists and on the left to create the indention. These may be adjusted as you wish. */
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        list-style: none; /* this removes the list marker */
        border-top: 1px solid #666; /* this creates the top border for the links - all others are placed using a bottom border on the LI */
        margin-bottom: 15px; /* this creates the space between the navigation on the content below */
    ul.nav li {
        border-bottom: 1px solid #666; /* this creates the button separation */
    ul.nav a, ul.nav a:visited { /* grouping these selectors makes sure that your links retain their button look even after being visited */
        padding: 5px 5px 5px 15px;
        display: block; /* this gives the link block properties causing it to fill the whole LI containing it. This causes the entire area to react to a mouse click. */
        width: 160px;  /*this width makes the entire button clickable for IE6. If you don't need to support IE6, it can be removed. Calculate the proper width by subtracting the padding on this link from the width of your sidebar container. */
        text-decoration: none;
        background: #C6D580;
    ul.nav a:hover, ul.nav a:active, ul.nav a:focus { /* this changes the background and text color for both mouse and keyboard navigators */
        background: #ADB96E;
        color: #FFF;
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    .footer {
        padding: 0px;
        position: relative;/* this gives IE6 hasLayout to properly clear */
        clear: both; /* this clear property forces the .container to understand where the columns end and contain them */
        background-color: #B7E3EA;
        color: #000099;
        width: 960px;
    verybottomfooter {
        padding: 10px;
    .footerlightblue {
        background-color: #B7E3EA;
    .container .footer table tr th {
        background-color: #FFF;
        color: #000099;
    /* ~~ miscellaneous float/clear classes ~~ */
    .fltrt {  /* this class can be used to float an element right in your page. The floated element must precede the element it should be next to on the page. */
        float: right;
        margin-left: 8px;
    .fltlft { /* this class can be used to float an element left in your page. The floated element must precede the element it should be next to on the page. */
        float: left;
        margin-right: 8px;
    .clearfloat { /* this class can be placed on a <br /> or empty div as the final element following the last floated div (within the #container) if the #footer is removed or taken out of the #container */
        clear:both;
        height:0;
        font-size: 1px;
        line-height: 0px;
    .container .footer2 #footer3 .footer p {
        text-align: center;
    .container .footer2 #footer3 .footer p {
        font-size: medium;
    .container .footer2 #footer3 .footer p {
        font-size: small;
        background-color: #B7E3EA;
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    </style>
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    <script src="Scripts/swfobject_modified.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
    <link href="SpryAssets/SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
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        <object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" width="125" height="190" align="left" id="FlashID" title="Sub Zero Refrigeration &quot;Subby&quot; Logo">
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          <param name="quality" value="high" />
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    margin: 0;
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    #BaxMenuBar .MenuItemLast {
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    #BaxMenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemFirst .MenuItemLabel {
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    #BaxMenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemLast {
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    #BaxMenuBar .SubMenu .MenuItemLast .MenuItemLabel {
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    #BaxMenuBar .MenuItemHover .MenuItemLabel {
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    /* Copyright (c) 2006. Adobe Systems Incorporated. All rights reserved. */
    LAYOUT INFORMATION: describes box model, positioning, z-order
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    Perry

    Hi and thank you very much. It was a little confusing as to whether you meant to add the rules you suggested or to replace them, or a combination of both, but I puzzled it out. I created a new MenuBarHorizontal.css file in a blank page and then made the changes you suggested and it works! Yay! I had to do a bit of tweaking to get it to look just the way I wanted, but it now works correctly in ie 7 and 8 and still works fine in everything else.
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    Perry
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    /* Copyright (c) 2006. Adobe Systems Incorporated. All rights reserved. */
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        padding: 0;
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    ul.MenuBarHorizontal
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              list-style-type: none;
              font-size: 100%;
              cursor: default;
              padding-left: 55px;
              padding-top: 50px;
              width: 850px;
    /* Set the active Menu Bar with this class, currently setting z-index to accomodate IE rendering bug: http://therealcrisp.xs4all.nl/meuk/IE-zindexbug.html */
    ul.MenuBarActive
              z-index: 1030;
    /* Menu item containers, position children relative to this container and are a fixed width */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal li
              margin: 0;
              padding: 0;
              list-style-type: none;
              font-size: 75%;
              position: relative;
              text-align: left;
              cursor: pointer;
              width: 160px;
              float: left;
              color: #333;
    /* Submenus should appear below their parent (top: 0) with a higher z-index, but they are initially off the left side of the screen (-1000em) */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul
              margin: 0;
              padding: 0;
              list-style-type: none;
              font-size: 120%;
              z-index: 1020;
              cursor: default;
              width: 160px;
              position: absolute;
              left: -1000em;
    /* Submenu that is showing with class designation MenuBarSubmenuVisible, we set left to auto so it comes onto the screen below its parent menu item */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
              left: auto;
    /* Menu item containers are same fixed width as parent */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul li
              width: 160px;
    /* Submenus should appear slightly overlapping to the right (95%) and up (-5%) */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul ul
              position: absolute;
              margin: -5% 0 0 95%;
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul ul li {
              font-size: 85%;
    /* Submenu that is showing with class designation MenuBarSubmenuVisible, we set left to 0 so it comes onto the screen */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
              left: auto;
              top: 0;
    DESIGN INFORMATION: describes color scheme, borders, fonts
    /* Submenu containers have borders on all sides */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul
              border: 1px solid #CCC;
              background-color: #FFF;
              font-family: "Palatino Linotype", "Book Antiqua", Palatino, serif;
    /* Menu items are a light gray block with padding and no text decoration */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal a
              display: block;
              cursor: pointer;
              background-color: #fff;
              padding: 0.5em 0.75em;
              color: #333;
              text-decoration: none;
              font-size: 100%;
    /* Menu items that have mouse over or focus have a blue background and white text */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal a:hover, ul.MenuBarHorizontal a:focus
              background-color: #fff;
              color: #fff;
    /* Menu items that are open with submenus are set to MenuBarItemHover with a blue background and white text */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemHover, ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover, ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
              background-color: #DADADA;
              color: #FFF;
              width: 140px;
    SUBMENU INDICATION: styles if there is a submenu under a given menu item
    /* Menu items that have a submenu have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenu and are set to use a background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemSubmenu
              background-repeat: no-repeat;
              background-position: 95% 50%;
              text-align: left;
    /* Menu items that have a submenu have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenu and are set to use a background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul a.MenuBarItemSubmenu
              background-image: url(SpryMenuBarRight.gif);
              background-repeat: no-repeat;
              background-position: 95% 50%;
    /* Menu items that are open with submenus have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenuHover and are set to use a "hover" background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover
              background-image: url(SpryMenuBarDownHover.gif);
              background-repeat: no-repeat;
              background-position: 95% 50%;
    /* Menu items that are open with submenus have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenuHover and are set to use a "hover" background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover
              background-image: url(SpryMenuBarRightHover.gif);
              background-repeat: no-repeat;
              background-position: 95% 50%;
    BROWSER HACKS: the hacks below should not be changed unless you are an expert
    /* HACK FOR IE: to make sure the sub menus show above form controls, we underlay each submenu with an iframe */
    ul.MenuBarHorizontal iframe
              position: absolute;
              z-index: 1010;
              filter:alpha(opacity:0.1);
    /* HACK FOR IE: to stabilize appearance of menu items; the slash in float is to keep IE 5.0 from parsing */
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              ul.MenuBarHorizontal li.MenuBarItemIE
              display: inline;
              f\loat: left;
              background: #FFF;

    Although, I did download IE-Tester which allows you to test in different IE versions and it does not seen to work there?
    IE-tester shows that you have got a problem 0n line #102. Unfortunately, the tester cannot be relied upon reflecting the correct line number. There is a problem on line #27 where there is no space in front of "type="
    <script src="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/widgets/menubar/SpryMenuBar.js"type="text/javascript"></script>
    and line #86 where there is no space before "rel="
    <link href="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/widgets/menubar/SpryMenuBarVertical.css"rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
    Now for my next problem, and if I can get this working I should be in fairly good shape. I had made some formatting changes (centered the menu bar, and made some color changes) See below, however those are now not working..Normally, when a question has been answered, it is marked as correct and any new questions are asked in a new post.
    However, you caught me in a good mood, just signed contracts for three new projects one as far away as Switserland.
    Lines #27 and #28 look like
    <script src="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/widgets/menubar/SpryMenuBar.js"type="text/javascript"></script>
    <link href="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/widgets/menubar/SpryMenuBarVertical.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
    Lines #84 and #86 look like
    <script src="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/widgets/menubar/SpryMenuBar.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
    <link href="http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/widgets/menubar/SpryMenuBarVertical.css"rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
    This may not confuse the browser, but it is not very conducive. Remove either set of links.
    When I look at SpryMenuBarVertical.css
    change the value of line 16 to auto, has not been done
    starting at line 81, change the highlighted values, has not been done
    So it is no wonder there are no changes.
    Gramps

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