Spry & Search Engines

If a spry - Accordian is collapsed, do search engines see the
content of
these collapsed sections?

Of course. The content is on the page, it's just not visible
to you as a
reader.
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"Art" <lee_nospam_@nospam_artjunky.com> wrote in
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> If a spry - Accordian is collapsed, do search engines
see the content of
> these collapsed sections?

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Spry content not accessed by search engines

Since moving to Spry and using accordion panels, search
engines have stopped listing our web pages. It seems that they
cannot access the HTML code.
Is there a way to set up the accordion panels so that search
engines can access the HTML content?

In order for search engines to index something like menus on
webpages they must be in the body of the HTML for the webpage. They
can not be dynamically loaded into a webpage via a JavaScript. When
you view the source of the webpage that loaded into the browser,
what you see in that source is what the search engines see.

Search Engines, SEO & Spry

Being somewhat new to the Spry framework, I am curious how
Spry will work with search engines and SEO.
I noticed Adobe's Periodic Table Spry example (very cool,
btw!) at
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/periodic_table/periodic_table.htm
and decided to Google "periodic table spry" for the result. This is
what appears":
Spry Periodic Table
Element Types: {Element_Type}. Periods (rows): {Period}.
Groups (columns): {Group}. Show All. {No} {Group}. {Symbol}.
{Atomicweight}. {No} {Group}. {Symbol} ...
labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/periodic_table/periodic_table.htm
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It looks as if Google reads the Spry code and not the full
content of the page, and as such, may not work well with SEO and
search engine page rank, let alone presenting an unreadable content
blurb to the search user in the Google result.
Does anyone have any intimate experience with this topic?
Thanks in advance!

Hi Geronimosan,
The only way to make sure that your pages are "indexable" by
search engines is to use the progressive enhancement technique. You
can read more about how to use Spry in an progressive enhancement
manner on our Best Practices page:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/articles/best_practices/index.html
--== Kin ==--

Spry and Search Engines

I like the framework and the ease of use. Does anyone know to
what
degree the search engines will evaluate the spry tags, if at
all? My
guess is that a hybrid will be needed as discussed at the
bottom of this
page:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/articles/data_set_overview/,
and
here:
http://domscripting.com/blog/display/41.
Any other ideas? All of my customers are extremely
search-engine sensitive.
Rod

Hey Rod,
As far as I know, search engines read source code. In that
regard, Spry Data in general will fail since, the content is not
kept in the source code.
Check out the data set overview about the spry:content
attribute. That is used so that pages are more accessible and it
helps search engine stuff as well.
It allows you to have static content on the page, but
spry:content will replace that content on the screen with its data.
So this allows for content for search engines to read, plus
the dynamic aspect of spry data.
But in general, Spry and Ajax, doesn't yet play well with
these other technologies.
Hope this helps.
Donald Booth
Adobe Spry Team

Spry optimization for search engines

I read in this post on the Dreamweaver forums (
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=12&catid=189&threadid =1272744&enterthread=y
) that data loaded by Spry is not available to search engines to
index. Is there a relatively simple way to make that data available
to the search engines? I know one poster mentioned a PHP call into
a hidden div but I am not sure how you would accomplish that. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
If anyone has a better suggestion of how to access my data
you can view the page in progress at
3andband.com/TestSite/iframeTest.html
note: The menu bar is currently only a placeholder image.
Also, I am using an iframe because I need to maintain the
persistance of the music player.
One more question, would the spry:state property be capable
of providing any sort of loading message will the content of the
iframe loads? Since it is loading spry data.
Thanks!

Hello Bonniechester, '''try Firefox Safe Mode''' to see if the problem goes away. [[Troubleshoot Firefox issues using Safe Mode|Firefox Safe Mode]] is a troubleshooting mode that temporarily turns off hardware acceleration, resets some settings, and disables add-ons (extensions and themes).
'''If Firefox is open,''' you can restart in Firefox Safe Mode from the Help menu:
* Click the menu button [[Image:New Fx Menu]], click Help [[Image:Help-29]] and select ''Restart with Add-ons Disabled''.
'''If Firefox is not running,''' you can start Firefox in Safe Mode as follows:
* On Windows: Hold the '''Shift''' key when you open the Firefox desktop or Start menu shortcut.
* On Mac: Hold the '''option''' key while starting Firefox.
* On Linux: Quit Firefox, go to your Terminal and run ''firefox -safe-mode'' <br>(you may need to specify the Firefox installation path e.g. /usr/lib/firefox)
When the Firefox Safe Mode window appears, select "Start in Safe Mode".
;[[Image:SafeMode-Fx35]]
'''''If the issue is not present in Firefox Safe Mode''''', your problem is probably caused by an extension, theme, or hardware acceleration. Please follow the steps in the [[Troubleshoot extensions, themes and hardware acceleration issues to solve common Firefox problems]] article to find the cause.
''To exit Firefox Safe Mode, just close Firefox and wait a few seconds before opening Firefox for normal use again.''
When you figure out what's causing your issues, please let us know. It might help others with the same problem.

Spry xml dataset driven page and search engines

If a page uses Spry xml dataset to present products to a
visitor, what do google and yahoo crawlers see in that page?
I'm asking because i plan to rewrite our products' static
pages using spry xml dataset, and i'd like to ensure crawlers see
the products. I haven't looked much, yet, into this pry capability,
but the products page will most probably be paginated (not sure if
possible in this capability) since there are hundreds of products.
currently, our static html pages generated good conversions
into purchases from google and yahoo searches.
It would be great if there is a real-life website that uses
this spry capability and has their pages appear in those search
engines.
thanks.

If a page uses Spry xml dataset to present products to a
visitor, what do google and yahoo crawlers see in that page?
search bot do not read / understand javascript. So they would
not index it.
Its a commen point of failure of the ajax techniques, Spry
has a handy solution for it (spry:content) wich will allow u to
overwrite 'content' if javascript is enabled so and bots will just
see the static page.

Can search engines crawl Spry Accordions?

My assumption when I decided to implement an accordion was that search engines would be able to crawl the content, due to the text being in the main document's code and not in a framed page. With that in mind, I created multiple pages utilizing the Accordion to encompass all or most of the text content on the page.
So the question is, was I right, and can search engines crawl Accordion content or did I do something terrible in search engine optimization?

Yes you can, thanks Arnout.
You can download the source lynx browser (here for instance: http://www.vordweb.co.uk/standards/download_lynx.htm), but the DOS interface is unwieldy to say the least. As for the Firefox plugin - I tried the Yellowpipe LynxRight version (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1944). Works fine (right-click yields that page in text form in a popup window), but again abit unwieldy compared to Delorie: very small text, embedded links not clickable.
I find that the Delorie implementation is the most useful - easily read, embedded page links clickable, etc. Delorie's BIG tradeoff is that it's site-specific: YOUR site, or a client's (since you have to place that delorie.html file in the root folder). So depends on your purposes.

Drop down menus / search engine friendly

Hi,
I've been tasked with creating a new company website and having it go live April 10th. I would like to use iWeb to get it done.
Are drop down menus possible with iWeb? To be clear, I'm talking about if you hover your cursor over a menu item; say products, a drop down menu will appear listing specific products and link to that products page.
The other main requirement is that the site be search engine friendly. Our current website is in Flash and is virtually invisible to search engines.
I hope that these questions haven't been answered by digging just a little further, it's just that I'm under a tight deadline and must get started.
I've been a Mac user since 88 and I would like to work on my preferred platform. I've got a decent background in design. (I'd like to not use Dreamweaver under this deadline) Our current website is www.rapid.com. It was made from a flash template that I was told to use so I made the best of it.
I'm going for a clean looking non fussy user experience, unlike what we have now.
Thanks for any help you may have.

As Massimo says, they are just fine in the basic sense.
The adminition you are familiar with was related to *any*
menu system that
embedded your actual menu links within javascript
'document.write' commands,
just the way the DW pop-up menus prior to CS3 does, and the
way the FW
pop-up menus prior to FW8 did.
If you can look at the HTML on the psge, and SEE the links in
the HTML, then
a search engine will also be able to see them, and therefore
spider your
site.
BUT - if you have sub-menus, and I have javascript disabled,
*I* will not be
able to access those sub-menu links when I come to your site.
Further,
neither will anyone with a screen reader. That's a
problem....
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"Triplets" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> In the past one was discouraged to not use javascript
anf DHMTL menus
> since they are not search engine friendly. How about the
new CS3 Spry
> Menus?

Internal search engine

I have a client that wants to add a search engine to a retail
showroom. I'd like it function similar to JCPenney or LandsEnd
where you can type a style of product or exact product number. A
product type search would result in a page of pictures that match
the criteria. I've had suggestions like CoffeeCup which appear to
be only Windows compatible. I don't mind purchasing some software
to do this but really not interested in paying a service to do it
for me on a monthly basis. Is there anything out there compatible
for Mac or is there another way within Dreamweaver CS3?

"V1 Fusion" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:gla5cn$a9j$[email protected]..
> It depends on what in those items, I build a search
engine that walks
> through
> 200 items in a breeze, and its quite large to.
>
> if you could split those 600 items up in sub categories
you will gave a
> faster
> web page. A good example of splitting up content is the
spry gallery, (
>
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/gallery/index.html
) instead
> of
> displaying about 100 images on one page, its chopped in
to categories.
> where
> the user can switch from.
>
> Spry has allot of examples
>
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/samples/
>
> and a nice demo of a product page here
> ;
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/demos/products/index.html
Building a search facility that requires JavaScript could be
a mistake - and
one that could expose a retail client to ADA (or similar)
claims.
Al Sparber - PVII
http://www.projectseven.com
The Finest Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets
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Spry Search Friendly

Is there a way to make it so Spry is search engine friendly.
(Some is I know).
But when I want to pull an amount of data I want it to be on
the 'page' (view source)... but I don't want it to be just
{title} {subject} {date}
etc...
Is there a way to make all the data in your page friendly?
EX:
Harry Potter Fiction 07/12/03
Something of this sort?
Thanks in advance.

Spry is based on AJAX and JavaScript, ajax and javascript
changes the displayed information, not the source code, this is a
KNOWN problem when using AJAX applications.
Google is working a spider that can read and understand Ajax
/ Javascript. But there arent any released dates available, in the
mean while Spry did come up with one handy function and that is
spry:content=
This function will allow to u use ajax functionality when the
users have enabled javascript, and when the users have not enabled
javascript, it will display 'static' source. This might be double
work, but it does the trick. They build a sample of it:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/spry/samples/products-hijax/index.html
I hope this will help u out.

How do I add multiple scripts from search engines to my meta tag properties?

I currently have copied the goolge script for website varification and analytics, etc and pasted it into my meta tag properties dialog box. There is no problem as far as Google varifying the page. However, I would like to copy Bing's search engine script into my meta tag in addition to Googles script. How do I go about doing this? Do I hit the return on my keyboard under the ending of Googles script, then paste in the Bing script?
The the last part of the Google script ending in this:
</script>
(paste new script from Bing here?)
Will this cancel out each other and cause problems?
Can someone walk me through this process, because Bing's search engine will not varify my site through two of the three other methods.
Ben

Adding a script after the closure of previous script is the way to go i.e. right after the </script> tag.
So it should look something like below:
<script>
Google's script
</script>
<script>
Bing's script
</script>
Cannot comment on one interfering with the other since it really depends on what exact code is there in the scripts. Google and Bing help resources will be able to help more with this.
Thanks,
Vikas

How do I delete a toolbar that was added by a plugin? Plug-in's been uninstalled, but the toolbar is still there and any new tabs open on their search engine (even though I have Tab Mix set to open tabs on a duplicate page). Help?

Running Firefox on Windows XP3. I installed a plugin from Savevid.com, which they now require. (I've used that site for at least a year with no problem ever.) Everything was fine but it added a toolbar to my browser, and it seems to have reset Firefox somehow so that any new tab opens on "Searchqu", some low-rent search engine. I uninstalled the plug-in altogether, but the toolbar is still there, and I can't make the reset on the search engine go away. I use Tab Mix Plus (also never had this problem before with it), but no matter what I do, the tabs will not open to anything other than searchqu. (Tab Mix has the option to open to a duplicate tab - what it was using BEFORE all this - but changing that no longer has any effect.)
Anyone know how to deal with a problem like this?

Start Firefox in <u>[[Safe Mode|Safe Mode]]</u> to check if one of the extensions (Firefox/Tools > Add-ons > Extensions) or if hardware acceleration is causing the problem (switch to the DEFAULT theme: Firefox/Tools > Add-ons > Appearance).
*Do NOT click the Reset button on the Safe Mode start window or otherwise make changes.
*https://support.mozilla.org/kb/Safe+Mode
*https://support.mozilla.org/kb/Troubleshooting+extensions+and+themes
You can also check for problems with the localstore.rdf file.
*http://kb.mozillazine.org/Corrupt_localstore.rdf

Error message trying to install new search engines

I am running Firefox 19.0.2 installed yesterday on a new desktop PC at the office. (Old PC failed to boot on Monday.) I have completed most of my customization without difficulty. However, when I try to install new search engines, it doesn't seem to matter which one, I get a pop-up error message:
"Sorry, you need a Mozilla-based browser (such as Firefox) to install a search plug-in."
I had no problems installing new search engines under Firefox 16 3rd quarter of last year when I started this job. Why am I unable to install search engines in FF 19?

Hello lafritz65, '''Try Firefox Safe Mode''' to see if the problem goes away. Safe Mode is a troubleshooting mode, which disables most add-ons.
''(If you're not using it, switch to the Default theme.)''
* You can open Firefox 4.0+ in Safe Mode by holding the '''Shift''' key when you open the Firefox desktop or Start menu shortcut.
* Or open the Help menu and click on the '''Restart with Add-ons Disabled...''' menu item while Firefox is running.
''Once you get the pop-up, just select "'Start in Safe Mode"''
'''''If the issue is not present in Firefox Safe Mode''''', your problem is probably caused by an extension, and you need to figure out which one. Please follow the [[Troubleshooting extensions and themes]] article for that.
''To exit the Firefox Safe Mode, just close Firefox and wait a few seconds before opening Firefox for normal use again.''
''When you figure out what's causing your issues, please let us know. It might help other users who have the same problem.''
thank you

I want name on address bar goes to home page, not search engine

Just today I hooked up a new modem/router that I purchased at a WIndstream store. I have been browsing the internet for years with Firefox. I have changed the keyword.url setting in my Firefox configuration (see https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/833252#answer-197476) so that the new version would act like the old version and go directly to the webpage when the name was typed in the address bar. For example: when I type in "windstream" (no ".net" or".com") I would go directly to windstream' home page.
However, when I hooked up my new modem/router I my browser is hijacked and goes to a Windstream search page. I have tried everything from re-installing Firefox, re-changing the "keyword.url" setting, I even tried the Firefox ad-on here (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/browse-by-name/).
All to no avail......there is something that has changed by adding Windstream's hardware and connecting to their network that will not allow me to use this function of Firefox.
Nothing else changed, but a new piece of hardware.....
Changed keyword.url to : http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=
Re-installed Firefox after cleaning all history and cookies.
Tried the add-on "Browse by name"
Wasted my time calling Windstream tech support.
Changed to openDNS
Tried to disable the feature through Windstream's web page, but then it just happens with the new search engine.

Opt-out of Windstream's search service: Type in something to get their sneaky web search page to come up, then click the tiny link at the bottom right "about this page". That sends you to a page where you can opt-out of their service.
To opt-out from their "valuable" sneaky service, you have to choose to opt-in to another search service.
You have to do this with each browser. And it still sends you to your search engine's results page, not to your URL the way you might want it to.
I would rather the default be to allow me to opt-in if I choose to, not have to jump through hoops to find out how to opt-out. It's taken me weeks to discover this. Annoying!

Reset the "awesome bar" (address bar) search engine

I had to install some crapware, and it made me install snap.do. This was a mistake. I have completely removed snap.do, so I think, but it has injected itself somehow within firefox. I have removed it entirely, cept for when i type anything in the address bar for a search, it currently only searches http://search.snapdo.com/?st=ds&q= its driving me quite batty. Please read my things I have done before you post.
Things I have done..
- Switched the "search box" search engine.
I've tried to switch it to something else like yahoo, and then switch back to google, then type in the ADDRESS BAR, still defaults to snap.do. I've also tried all sorts of things, as I believe since firefox 23 whatever you have selected in the search box, will default for the address bar, in my case.. no.
- keyworld.url or any about:config search for snap or snapdo or snap.do or *
Listen, this has been gone since firefox 23. I'm running version 27.0.1, ITS NOT THERE DONT SUGGEST THISSS FKJALSDFLKAJSD. I've also tried the keyworld.url hack. First time I tried there was a snap.do keyword and i was like "EFFFIN AAAA!". But after a restart, snapdo still took over.
- Firefox>help>troubleshoot>reset
I'll punch you in the face if you even remotely suggest this, i've done it 329049320 times ;)
- Malware/antivirus/dafjkdsj tool.
Unless it directly removes snap.do dont even tempt me.
- uninstall/reinstall
Ok.. c'mon, you think I havent tried this?
-add/remove programs
rly?
Ok so you see my frustration here? One more list..
Things I will not do..
- Delete my firefox profile.
I'd just really rather not, as history is how I browse some stuff. and well other things as well, I mean in the end, if i must i must.
But if anyone has any other ideas on how i can force firefox to a search engine please let me know, and i will be your friend ;D

Cor-el has suggested to create a new profile, and as I can see in your initial question posting, it was stated that if you had to, you would do it. So, if you could please do - it would be appreciated.
Something I suggest is a clean reinstall, however that is something you would not like obviously but I will enter those instructions here anyways so you can look over it.
Certain Firefox problems can be solved by performing a ''Clean reinstall''. This means you remove Firefox program files and then reinstall Firefox. Please follow these steps:
'''Note:''' You might want to print these steps or view them in another browser.
#Download the latest Desktop version of Firefox from http://www.mozilla.org and save the setup file to your computer.
#After the download finishes, close all Firefox windows (click Exit from the Firefox or File menu).
#Delete the Firefox installation folder, which is located in one of these locations, by default:
#*'''Windows:'''
#**C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox
#**C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox
#*'''Mac:''' Delete Firefox from the Applications folder.
#*'''Linux:''' If you installed Firefox with the distro-based package manager, you should use the same way to uninstall it - see [[Installing Firefox on Linux]]. If you downloaded and installed the binary package from the [http://www.mozilla.org/firefox#desktop Firefox download page], simply remove the folder ''firefox'' in your home directory.
#Now, go ahead and reinstall Firefox:
##Double-click the downloaded installation file and go through the steps of the installation wizard.
##Once the wizard is finished, choose to directly open Firefox after clicking the Finish button.
More information about reinstalling Firefox can be found [https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-and-diagnose-firefox-problems?esab=a&s=troubleshooting&r=3&as=s#w_5-reinstall-firefox here].
<b>WARNING:</b> Do not run Firefox's uninstaller or use a third party remover as part of this process, because that could permanently delete your Firefox data, including but not limited to, extensions, cache, cookies, bookmarks, personal settings and saved passwords. <u>These cannot be recovered unless they have been backed up to an external device!</u>
Please report back to see if this helped you!
Thank you.

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