Ssd cache and hybrid drive

I am looking to order the HP 17t-j000 with 8GB of memory. It offers both SSD cache and a Hybrid drive as options, and you can choose both. Does it make sense to get both, or is this just redundant? I

No the SSD cache drive with hybrid drive will outperform just the hybrid drive by quite a bit. You will get boot time performance close to a main SSD drive, but a main SSD drive would be even faster, particularly on data transfer.

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MSSD Hard Drive Acceleration Cache vs hybrid drive

I'm thinking of buying an ENVY laptop and noticed there are 2 separate options for SSD. One is an hybrid hard drive and the other is mSSD Hard Drive Acceleration Cache. What is the difference and what are the benefits of each. Also...
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Please see Wikipedia - Hybrid drive for information on both hybrid / caching styles. The mSSD / HDD style is typically based on two seperate drives and Intel Smart Response Technology (which is implemented through a combination of certain Intel chipsets and Intel storage drivers). The hybrid HDD style is typically based a traditional hard drive and NAND flash memory on one chassis and is fully impemented on the drive.
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T430s mSATA SSD cache and new SSD?

I just ordered a new T430s with a 500GB drive and the 16GB mSATA SSD cache. A friend has now talked me in to replacing the 500GB drive with a Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD, though nothing has been purchased just yet.
My question is: obviously its dumb to have a 16GB SSD cache sitting in front of another SSD, yes? So, what are my options? Can I repurpose the mSATA SSD for something else? Should I just pull it out?
(And, yes, I should have thought of this before I placed my order. Hindsight, right?)
Thanks for your ideas/help/instructions!
Best regards,
Charles

Hello and welcome,
You'll get a bunch of different opionions on this
If you're going with a big SSD, you might as well just remove the mSATA device.
I've taken a different approach with my T420. Left the HDD in and installed a 256GB mSATA SSD. The SSD holds the OS and the stuff that I want to be fast. The HDD has less-frequently accessed data - and a backup of the SSD.
The HDD is set to spin down when inactive. Saves power and noise. Mostly the machine just runs off the SSD.
My $.02,
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Lenovo Y50 - Can the SSD part of Hybrid Drive be turned off?

I have a Y50 with a 1TB HDD + 8GB SSD Hybrid drive.I have heard and sometimes experienced in some games that the SSD part of the drive sometimes act as a hindrance to smooth perfomance.Can anyone tell me on a way to turn the SSD part off?

None of these replies addressed the reason for my original question.
I do appreciate the answers however I see I should have been a bit more thorough in my query.
I know how the fusion works. I know you can get a 1 tb ssd with the imac.
I also know that it is very very expensive to get a pure pcie 1 tb ssd as an option.
The reason for my question is to see if the sata ssd which is a little slower and also much much cheaper than pcie flash ssds can be used instead of the slow
hdd in the fusion configuration. I have ordered the 512 gb pcie flash for my imac so I am committed to pure ssd. I would still like to know if
what I mentioned is possible as a much less expensive option.
Sorry for the confusion but in a rather lengthy search throughout the net and asking Apple's Geniuses I have been as yet unable to get any answer.
It would seem to me that using a sata ssd instead of a sata hdd would be nothing but beneficial in the fusion setup.

SSD for applications, hybrid drive for data? easy to do?

I'm thinking to order iMac with 256gb SSD instead of the fusion as the fusion HDD part will be 5400rpm
Is it easy to have an Imac with apps on SSD and seperate data on an external hybrid?
How do I make SSD default for apps and external hybrid for Data, is there any guides how to do this?
What should I do?

Get the fusion drive. To use a fast external drive it will have to be Thunderbolt, and the enclosures are quite expensive just to end up with something that isn't likely that much faster than the fusion drive.

Performance comparisons between Apple's SSD's and hard drives

Am looking for objective performance data comparing SSD's in Apple's MacBook Pro versus Apple's hard drives in MacBook Pro. I've read some material in Tom's Hardware but am looking for specific device comparisons of these storage types in MacBooks. Seek/latency/read transfer rates/write transfer rates/reliability/etc.

Thanks for the information!! I've book-marked the site and plan to refer to it often.

How should a SSD cache be partitioned upon installation?

I know there are various wiki pages for creating a bcache, but none of them seem to go into detail about how they should initially be partitioned.
In my case, lsblk shows an sda partition (1 and 2) which is my live USB stick, a sdb partition which is my SSD cache, and a sdc (1 and 2) which is my machines main HD partition.
Do I need to clean my SSD partition or should I just leave it alone? The wikis don't seem to address the situation as if the user has yet to install arch yet.

vixsomnis wrote:If you're still stuck on this, use $(wipefs -a /dev/sdbX) on the partition, then use $(make-bcache --wipe-bcache -C /dev/sdbX). There's nothing in the wiki about this, but the tool itself provides some help when it encounters an error.
Alternatively, you could try to use the Security Erase feature of the SSD if it supports it. This will effectively zero out the entire drive. Then you can go back and try getting bcache working again and not have to worry about lingering superblocks from old filesystems.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SS … l_clearing
I like to use this when I need to clear out an SSD because it tends to be super fast. It is also amazingly easy to use as well (you just need hdparm).

SSD cache on windows 8.1

Hi, I do have windows 8.1 update 1 on my lenovo thinkpad edge e540 (20C6003QMC) which has 16GB SSD cache and I'd like to ask since express cache is not supported on windows 8.x how can i get it working? Thanks

Okay, I got mine to install.
Under the Start menu it showed iCloud 3.1 as still being installed although it doesn't show up in the add / remove programs. So what I decided to do was manually uninstall it. I found the directory where iCloud was installed, which in my case was:
c:\program files (x86)\Common Files\Apple
Close out iCloud if it's still running in the taskbar, I used the Task Manager to close it.
I renamed the Apple folder to Apple.bak and then closed out explorer. I re-ran the iCloud 4.x install program and it went through the entire installation without fail this time. After which it'll prompt for you to reboot once the installation completes.

Intel Z68 Sandy Bridge chipset and SSD caching....

For those of us considering a move to the Sandy Bridge/Z68 platform, we will eventually need to sort out whether to take advantage of the chipset's ability to "improve" ONE hard drive with a smallish (64GB or less) SSD.
Results I have seen indicate read speeds considerably slower than an SSD drive alone but acceptably improved performance over a bare hard drive. It seems like a promising situation. Capacity of a TB hard drive with read speeds nicely bumped upwards.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z68-express-lucidlogix-virtu-ssd-caching,2888.html
Question: If a user followed Harm's and other's suggestions in setting up a basic 3- or 4-drive computer, which drive should take the cheapo SSD?
Thoughts:
1) Assume the Z68 platform is loaded with all 16GB of memory that the four-slot Socket 1155 motherboard can typically accept. Would CS5 or 5.5 load enough program data into RAM to render placing the SSD on the OS drive for editing with Premiere minimally beneficial? Or would it simply make sense to put the SSD on the OS drive for so many other reasons that it's a no-brainer?
2) If it's a close call, which other drive should get the SSD? If I understand correctly, this hybrid drive won't write data all that much better. The improvement will primarily be on reads. And on that, random access reads, not sustained throughput. This is especially the case with cheaper 40GB-ish SSD's. (Some one please verify this.) Most Sandy Bridge users opting for the lower end, 20 PCI-e lanes platform won't be big-time power users. (You guys are waiting for the Socket 2011 platform.) Many of us will be getting our footage from DSLR or other AVCHD sources. AVCHD is so compressed that a single drive can supply more than enough layers for the Joe Blow amateur editor.
Unless we use Cineform NeoScene to lighten the load on the CPU, which will result in a much larger bitstream coming off the media drive for each layer, Would it make sense to help out a single drive in this situation? Or would it be universally better to set up a simple 2-disk RAID 0? Paying $65 for second drive and taking advantage of motherboard RAID 0 would seem to be a better solution if the media drive can't keep up.
For any situation, if the media drive(s) is already fast enough, would caching the media drive offer many benefits? I'm under the impression that feeding Premiere with footage is a sequential read situation, not a random access deal. Isn't the strength of an SSD in random access reads, and wouldn't the best usage be to place it on a disk that primarily is used by Premiere in random access data fetching?
3) Good grief. If it doesn't go on the OS or primary media drive supplying footage, where else? Projects disk? Scratch drive?
4) Might the most useful thing be to avoid setting up a RAID while getting some of the speed benefits a RAID 0 offers? Many casual users can build a straightforward computer but have never set up a RAID array, even a 2-disk RAID 0.
40GB SSD's are under $100 now. I suspect a lot of people will use this feature of the Z68, if the hybrid drive isn't hard to set up and is reliable. I'm curious how the Premiere crowd will make use of this feature, and will it make a palpable difference on a relatively simple editing rig? No Areca RAID cards and only 16GB memory. Nothing more than 3 or 4 single drives.

Frankly I don't see how an inexpensive SSD would help the "caching" for editing with Premiere CS5, since a typical 7200 rpm 1TB drive can perform substained writes at about 2x what a typical small SSD does.
Premiere CS5 continues to beg for lots of drives!
Jim
(one of the few "believers" in SSDs on this forum - and my "belief" is for OS and programs, not for input, media, caching, etc.)

Seagate 1TB Solid State Hybrid Drive SATA 6Gbps 64MB Cache 2.5-Inch ST1000LM014

Hello again, is the Macbook Pro 13-inch early 2011 compatiable with the Seagate 1TB Solid State Hybrid Drive SATA 6Gbps 64MB Cache 2.5-Inch ST1000LM014 and if so, how much faster would it be than a regular HDD?

If it's no higher than 12.5 mm, then it should work (and fit) in your model.
It will work fine where the optical drive is should you decide to replace the HDD with an SSD and put the hybrid in the space occupied by the optical drive. The optical drive provides 6.0 Gb/s support.

SSHD Hybrid drives and Raid 0 for Premiere

I am looking for a little support and help as I would like to expand both the capacity and speed of my current editing setup.
I intend on using 2x Momentus XT Hybrid SShD 750gb to give me 1.5tb of very fast storage, and buying a cheap 2tb drive to manually make backups.
I edit mainly DSLR footage in cs5.5, but I 've noticed large slow down in applying effects and rendering as my current 1tb drive fills up.
I've looked around the internet for some answers specifically about this scenario, and whether it would suit to enhance video editing.
I am currently using windows 7 home premium.
Gigabyte x58a-ud5
intel i7 920
12gb corsair ram
gtx 470
I am currently using:
C:128 Corsair ssd force 3
D:Seagate Barracuda 7200
C:OS,Pagefile,Premiere and programs, media cache
D:Everything else
Thanks

I did a quick render test. It is rendering okay when I am applying basic colour correction. The CPU is going between 20% and peaking at 80%, so this would indicate that the CPU is maybe not the bottleneck currently.
The ram is using 6 gb at max, of 9 gb made available for use by Premiere in the preferences.
I will definately clean up my drives and defrag very soon, as I am finishing off a short film project where I have been using 10 bit uncompressed footage. That should free up some space!
I am interested about your other suggestion about getting the hdd drives and raid 0. I have done a little research recently on the forums, and had a look at the optimum disk configuration for various systems depending on the number of disks available. Now, my understanding is that you want to try and spread the load over a number of disks. I am noticing now that a few people are using SSD's, and submitting these as suggestions for disk configurations.
I am considering the idea of buying a couple of small capacity SSD's, (maybe with the marvel controller, that Harm I believe mentioned is better than sandforce for robustness), and in Raid 0. I would use this for my media cache/render preview/pagefile section. Even 2x 60gb ssds striped to provide 120gb, would be more than enough for my standard workflow. Also, if the array goes down, its just temporary cache anyway right?
Why would I use a 1tb 7200rpm drive, when I could go this route instead? I know the 1tb drive would be cheaper, but isn't speed of the essence here? I read a comment that Harm mentioned that "most speed requirements is for scratch, temp and pagefile". I think with a bit of housekeeping, I can delete old render previews, media cache and database entries, and have plenty of room left over with the kind of projects I work on. I'm using around 60 gb for that section right now.
I am thinking now of ditching the hybrid sshd plan, and going for 2xssd low capacity raid 0, and a 3 tb drive as an archive to free up my 1tb drive for footage, exports, and maybe projects.
I am interested to hear whether I am being sily to bother striping 2ssds with my modest setup. Will my motherboard bottleneck somewhere first?
I could just get another couple of 1tb drives, but I feel like I want to challenge that approach as SSD technology and prices have come a long way. SSDs support trim in Raid 0, so whats stopping us?
Also, I may point out that I am looking to upgrade at some point the whole architecture of my PC. I am thinking about the GTX 760 in the near future.

I am looking to add a hybrid drive or SSD drive to my Imac 27" 2010. What can you recommend?

I have a 2.8 Ghz i5 with 8 GB Ram and 1 TB HDD and was a bit disappointed about the speed. My 2007 24" 2.8 c2d iMac starts up faster than this new used 2010 i5. In order to make start up time faster and also start apps faster I thought of adding a hybrid drive. The Apple shop in town can install it for me, but I would need to know what would be a good option.
Any advice is appreciated.

Some option here, adding an SSD should make it a Hybrid drive in 10.8.2...
http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?sort=pop&model=398&type=Internal+Dr ive

Can I add a 3rd party SSD to a dv7 that has the 750GB Hybrid drive?

I have been given contradictory answers from 2 different HP sales reps.
I am looking to purchase a dv7 with a single storage drive, and will at some later time like to add a second storage drive to the empty bay. One rep told me that both the dv6 and dv7 have 2 empty bays, and I am nearly certain this is incorrect as I've read that people were removing the optical drives of their dv6 in order to add a second disk storage drive. I was also told that if I purchase the laptop with the hybrid drive, I would NOT be able to add a SSD later on down the road because of incompatibility. Another rep told me that if I started with the hybrid drive, I COULD add a second storage drive, in the form of either a SSD or HDD.
I realize that when trying to customize the laptop, it won't allow me to choose both the 750GB hybrid AND the 32GB SSD together, as it forces me to choose either the hybrid alone, or the regular HDD and the 32GB SSD...so perhaps there is some truth to a hybrid and SSD not being able to function together properly???
So my question remains, if I customize a dv7 with only the 750GB Hybrid drive, could I later add a 3rd party SSD without issues?

The hybrid drive is physically just a 2.5 inch laptop hard drive and will leave a bay open. The 32 gig ssd is an mSATA module and is located far away from the hard drives so even if one is present it should not block use of a second hard drive. Here is the most recent dv7 manual. Look at pages 47 and 70.
Manual
I believe as long as you have only one 2.5 inch standard SATA drive the second hard drive bay is available for an additional drive. You may need a caddy and cable, however.
What exact model of the dv7 are you looking to purchase? This would help answer more definitely I think. The dv6 definitely does not have 2 hard drive bays, just the dv7.

SSD for Media Cache and Preview files ...bad idea?

Hi guys!
Today I killed my 3rd SSD.I used both of them for store Media cache and preview files with Premiere Pro and After Effects CS5.5.
1st was OCZ Vertex 3 240GB than I replaced to a new one.After few weeks later the 2nd OCZ Vertex 3 dead.
And now Corsair Force 3 is gone.I dont worry because all of them still in warranty period, and I havebackup from my projects.
Just asking maybe these SSD-s is not stable for this thing? I mean often write and read datas?
Maybe better to replace to a simple HDD (maybe 10000rpm)?
Or just I was that lucky guy who catch 3 defected ssd-s in the last six months..:-(

No, I don't think that you killed them; the OCZ Vertex 3 series, and many other SSDs using the same Sandforce controller, are having way too many issues where Adobe is not being used at all.
Do check your firmware on these drives too; there have been lots of updates trying to make these seemingly seriously flawed drives work more reliably.
Regards,
Jim

Replacing old HD with SSD and Hybrid HD Mac Pro 2008, 10.7.5

My old 1tb 7200 rpm drive has started doing some quirky things, so I decided to upgrade to a 240 Gb SSD for my OS and App's, and I would install the 2TB Hybrid drive to hold the home folder with movies, pics, music. So I formatted my 2TB disk in disk utilities.
I copied, by dragging and dropping my home folder from old drive to new 2TB, I went into system preferences, under User/Group created a new user at the administrator level, and set the new user to open at login.
When I restarted it was the old galaxy screen, the dock had moved back to the bottom and it was set up different.I also can open Iphoto or itunes and they are empty, "The folder “Pictures” can't be opened because you don’t have permission to see its contents", and the same goes for Itunes, I haven't tried FCPX or the Adobe Products I use.
"So, I think well I probably just need to set up my ssd with my OS and App's so the new disk can see my prefrences", so I format, use Carbon Copy Cloner, deselecting, under the User tab, my old User and the New user I had created for the new 2TB drive, because I have no room for it on the 240 GB drive. And, I deselected some apps I didn't want to come over. I cloned it, changed my start up disk in my preferences, and restarted.
I still get the same thing when I logged into my new 2TB Drive. I am planning on keeping my old drive for archive, and I also backed up to an external using Time Machine before I started messing with the new drives.
Please Help!
Mac Pro 2008
OSX 10.7.5

Mac OS X is inherently a Multi-User system designed to protect each User's data from all other Users. A new User does not have access to your existing files, including the desktop Preferences and the Dock Preferences
You need to do one of:
a) change all the permissions all around -OR-
b) make this change without creating a new User (e.g., by cloning your original User or by Installing a new version of Mac OS X and using Assistants to connect to the old User data. This guide can help:
Setting-up a new Mac from an old one, its backups, or a PC

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