Standard Cost from External Process

Hi Experts.
I have a finished goods procured from other plant, need to send for additional process
I want capture the cost for additional process without Purchase Info.
I maintained the price details in the routing external process tab.price unit & net price.
But while doing the CK11N it is not picking these cost element.
Pls explain what would be the additional setting I suppose to do.

Dear Sriram,
Check what costing variant are you using in the initial screen of CK11N,now take this costing variant
and check in OKKN--->(click on)valuation variant--->(Click on )Ext.Processing and check the priority
defined,only if the value is set as price from operation,then the system picks up the value maintained
in the routing(operation),also ensure the costing relevancy is set in the control key of that particular
operation.
Check and revert back.
Regards
Mangalraj.S

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