Starting up classic

Is there a way of loading classic directly on a new mac except for using the emulator. This way not all my classic program work but they all work on my old ibook.
Other wise why is there an option to change appearance in classic as if you choose any of them, they do nothing.

No. Apple has not made a computer that will boot into OS 9 for several years now. A truly new computer (i.e., any of the current Intel chipped macs) will not even run classic within OS X.
If you need to boot up in OS 9, you need a used computer. Or you need to update your programs. It's been around seven years since OS 9 was current. A lot has changed since then, mostly for the better.

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Can't start in Classic

For a long time, I was happily able to switch back and forth to Classic after I upgraded to OS X, but then all of a sudden, Classic doesn't start. Let me give you the scenario right before my Classic problem....
I was working on a file using Quark 4. I wanted to modify an eps in Illustrator 10 that I was working with. So I opened up Illustrator to work on the file (Quark was still running) then my computer froze. I rebooted and tried running Quark, but it was just stuck on "Starting Classic" and it just never finished!
It's super-frustrating because I'm not able to use Quark or any of my apps that run in Classic! I can't even "clean" my printer since I can seem to only do that while I'm in Classic.
I'm a graphic designer and I'm stuck! I feel like I can only use my computer to go on the internet. This *****. Any help/insight would greatly be appreciated.
G4 Mac OS X (10.3.9) 4th Gen 20G iPod, 4G nano, 30G video iPod

Hi, luvmypod. The crash that occurred when you opened Illustrator probably caused damage to your hard drive directory that now needs to be repaired. Why this happened is anybody's guess; how to fix it is all I'll address here.
Start up from your Panther Installer Disc 1, open Disk Utility from the Installer menu, select your hard drive in the left panel of DU's window, and run DU's "Repair Disk" routine repeatedly until it gives you two successive "appears OK" reports about your hard drive. Then start up normally and test.
If DU's "Repair Disk" routine never gives your drive a clean bill of health without reporting that it had to fix something, you will need a stronger disk utility such as DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro to make the necessary directory repairs.

Classic freezes or stalls when started in OS X 10.4.6

Hello,
The classic environment freezes or stalls when it is started from OS X 10.4.6. In the expanded classic window pane, the smiling mac on the grey background appears, then the "welcome to Mac OS" appears (Mac OS 9.1). The blue progress bar at the top shows only a small sliver of blue on the left, and the progress bar does not advance at all. After many minutes, 10 or 15 so the classic window closes, perhaps a time-out limit, and has not started.
Mac OS X 10.4.6 was just recently installed on our Mac G4 from CD (4 CDs) rather than the OS X DVD, since we only have an internal CD drive. Our Mac is a 733 MHz PowerPC G4 (2.0) with 1 CPU; 512 MB SDRAM, 1 MB L3 cache, and 32 GB of available disk space. Let me know if other details would help with a diagnosis.
I have tried the suggestions given in the other forum articles that talk about the classic envirionment freezing or stalling such as:
blessed the Mac OS 9.1 system folder,
rebuilt the desk top,
removed the OS 9.1 servers folder,
turned off extensions in the classic options,
disconnected all external devices,
searched for the DivX folder, but didn't find it.
Are there other things I should try to permit classic to start from OS X?
Other forum articles seem to indicate that starting up classic in OS X allows older software to run in OS X. Is that true, or am I missing something?
By changing the start up disk to OS 9.1 the Mac will boot up directly to OS 9.1 (the previous OS used for many years) without any problem. Our current work around for older applications is to change the start up disk and boot up directly to OS 9.1.
Your advice and help is appreciated. My goal is to be able to start the classic Mac OS from OS X to run old applications like MS Office. Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Greg
Mac G4 Mac OS X (10.4.6) classic freezes during start up

Hi Robbie,
Thanks for your reply to my question. I'll try to describe how I start classic in more detail. I have tried starting classic from the top menu bar icon (and from the classic system preferences form), and by trying to directly start an OS 9 application (like Word or Excel).
When I launch classic from the top menu bar icon a new window opens with the "smiling mac" on the grey background followed by the "welcome to Mac OS". At that point nothing else happens for a long time (no progress bar movement, no other forms or windows opening), in excess of 10 to 15 minutes. If the classic form closes after the long wait, the classic system preferences form still has a "start" button, so I presume that classic has not started. OS 9 applications do not start at that point. Should the progress bar move while classic is loading? I'm pretty sure that the blue progress bar in the classic window never moves, even when the classic window closes.
When directly opening an OS 9 application like Word or Excel the classic window opens, but again no change to the progress bar and the classic window stays open for a long time. The OS 9 application does not start.
Does this description help? Let me know if I can provide more details of what happens. I would be glad to try any tests you suggest, and report on the outcome, to help diagnose this problem. I can also try upgrading to OS 9.2.2; can you point me to an easy way for that upgrade? I'll check around the apple web site too.
Since the Mac can be booted up directly to OS 9.1 or OS X (by selecting the startup disk) it seems like there may be something that is interfering with classic being launched from OS X. Perhaps there are other files or preferences that can be disabled or removed in hopes of removing the interference and gettting classic to launch?
Thanks again for your help with this classic start up problem.
Regards,
Greg

OS 9 Classic stalls on start up

     I have an iBook, running 10.4.11. I can afford to upgrade to a Pentium processor MacBook, but choose not to do so because of thousands of dollars worth of software I have that works only on OS 9, so I need to keep 10.4, which, on the old Motorola processor, will run both X and 9-Classic.
     The problem is that I had a previous iBook and woke up one night to the sound of the hard drive making a grinding sound. Of course I immediately shut it off. I then shipped it to my son, who is also a Mac devotee. He not only picked me up another iBook at a reasonable price, but took the HD out of my old iBook, put it in an external USB hard drive case, and it worked fine, so he sent me both. The iBook worked great, both in X and 9-Classic, so I began transferring (drag & drop) everything over from my old hard drive to the new iBook.
     After I finished, I tried to start 9 Classic - the Classic screen would pull up and the progress bar would begin to move, but stall after it had filled in roughly 1/16 of an inch. I could leave it on all night, but it still wouldn't load any further. I noticed I had SoftWare Restore in the Application Support folder of my OS 9 System Folder, and thought restoring my 9 software might make a difference, but discovered 9 has to start up before the restoration app can be used, so I'm back at square one.
     I'm usually very knowledgeable with Macs (still have an old LC, as well as 2 Bondi iMacs), but this has me stumped. I'm betting I pulled something over from my old hard drive that I shouldn't have and it's creating a conflict, but I can't imagine what it could have been. I've tried starting up with extensions off, but that doesn't work either. I can't use any of my OS 9 software, and could sure use some recommendations.

Hi BD, good to hear from you again. You might remember I posted this just before T-giving, and was advised to try again after the holiday, as likely many were away celebrating.
As I mentioned above, "I've tried starting up with extensions off, but that doesn't work either." So, nope.
I once did call-in Mac Tech Support, and after "Have you checked to see if it's plugged in?" the second most frequent question I asked was, "Have you tried starting with extensions off?"
Note particularly, in the screen shot below, the tiny area on the left of the progress bar, indicating that it started to load, then stopped.

Starting Classic while running OS 10.4.11

I can no longer start up classic while OS 10.4.11 is running. If I go to system pref. I can choose 9.1 as start up and OS 10.4.11 will close and 9.1 will open but this proves to be a pain. I reinstalled classic and now have two system folders (one labeled previous system folder), I rebuilt the desktop but still no success. Ideas anyone!

Hi, erifon -
If you mean that you can choose to boot to either OS 9.1 or OSX 10.4.11, but the install of OS 9.1 will not function as Classic while the machine is booted to OSX...
The fact that the machine will boot to that OS 9.1 means that it is a valid install for that machine.
It has been reported by some users that although the general requirements for Classic calls for an install of OS 9.1 or later, OSX 10.4.x may have problems using versions earlier than OS 9.2.x.
Suggest you try updating the OS 9 install to OS 9.2.1, and even to OS 9.2.2. You can do that via download updaters. Note - the installers for these updaters will work only when the machine is booted to OS 9; and, if you want to install the OS 9.2.2 update you must first install the OS 9.2.1 update.
Article #120030 - Mac OS 9.2.1 - Download and Info
Article #75186 - Mac OS 9.2.2 - Download and Info
Important - be sure to download the correct language version of the updater(s). Unlike OSX, OS 9 installs are single-language. If the update does not match the language version of the installed OS 9, the updater will refuse to install.

Deleted some (root) files & now finder won't start...now stuck in Classic 9

I have an eMAc 10.2.8 and was re-installing the system X and classic 9.2 software with all security updates etc, when I accidentally wiped some of the quicktime (root) files and extensions.
When it rebooted, Finder would not load - I can see everything on the dock but there is no top menu bar and nothing on the screen. Although some of the software (safari, explorer etc) will open and the top menu shows the normal file, edit etc.
I tried using the MacOSX Install Disc (pressing C while restarting) to reinstall the missing quicktime files, but it simply logs in as normal and doesn't recognise the disk or show anything on the screen. The same thing happens with the eMac Restore Software discs (Mac OS X & Mac OS 9).
I then switched my startup volume via System to Classic 9.2 and restarted the computer. All looked good, but once it has finished loading, there is nothing on the screen but grey lines running vertically down and no dock or top menu bar and the disk eject doesn't work. And again, rebooting with the disks while holding C doesn't seem to work.
Help someone....I can't get back to OSX and I know that everything is still on the HD because I checked it using Disk Utility prior to switching operating systems.
I even tried Firmware (holding the on button for a few minutes) to reboot directly from the OSX disc, but am not entirely sure what to do. Have I completely stuffed it?

I don't know why but your Mac is ignoring the "C" key and insisting on trying to start from the normal, damaged X... One explanation might be any keyboard - including an Apple wireless keyboard - that needs drivers or utilities; then the keyboard wouldn't be read until after the "C" key was too late…
Please rememeber there will never by any Mac that can start in Classic mode. That might not matter when things are going smoothly and in trobules like this, the same confusion that led to that description might be helping to helix the system.
This is still clearly an X, not a Classic problem and you will still get better help more quickly in the X pages, here

Classic attempts to start up unsuccessfully

Every time I boot up my eMac it attempts to start up Classic which has gone missing. In the Classic Preference pane the option 'Start Classic when you log in' is checked and greyed out so it can't be deselected. How can I prevent Classic from attempting to launch at startup? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Hans

Open the Accounts pane of System Preferences and check whether any of the items in the list of login items for your account need Classic to run; this includes Classic applications, AppleScripts which issue commands to the Classic environment, and documents for which the default application runs in Classic.
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What is the best model laptop that 9.2.2 can start up on?

I'm looking to buy an old laptop that starts up Classic 9.2.2 like the iMac G3 does and can also run a version of OS X (at least 10.3.9). Would those be Powerbooks or iBooks or both? What is the fastest model I should look for?

Click here. All of the iBooks which fit those criteria are G3s.
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Classic environment does not appear to be installed

By not installed I don't mean that OS 9 isn't installed, I have an OS 9 system folder on a seperate parition and I can start up the computer with it fine. What I mean by not installed is that the pref pane does not exist, and neither does "/System/Library/CoreServices/Classic Startup.app", or "/System/Library/Classic" and all the other files it uses. Whenever I try and start a classic app I get an error. "The operation could not be completed. An unexpected error Occured". How can I get Classic installed and working. Running OS X Server 10.4.11 on a PPC G4 Mac.

I've asked a moderator move your post to the correct forum. Note for future reference there is a Server Products Discussion on http://discussions.apple.com/ separate from Mac OS X & Related products.

Classic stalls- due to corrupt extensions?

My Classic environment stalls during start up.
I originally followed the advice in this article:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106835
to no avail.
I had also tried to start up with extensions off, which works, but leaves me without extensions. You may view my previous post:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=499926&tstart=0
I have since gone through the entire extensions folder and tried each one by one (starting up Classic after each addition) and found 18 extension files to seemingly be corrupt. I've placed these in the disabled extensions folder and Classic starts up without stalling.
However, I can't open any applications.
When I try to open a classic application it bounces in the dock, stops bouncing and does not go away, the triangle underneath does not appear, the application does not appear, and it won't respond to quit commands.
Also, when I try to open a Classic application without first separately starting up Classic, the Classic start up will stall.
I've tried reinstalling Classic with the Software Install and Restore disk, and repaired disk permissions. After doing this I attempted to reinstall/restore software (photoshop 6) from its disk and the installer application, a Classic application, wouldn't open.
I can't imagine what else could be effecting the start up. If there's anything else I can do, or redo I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions.
Thank you.

Hi, Cabbitsu. I suggest starting up from your Panther installer disk 1, opening Disk Utility from the Installer menu, and running DU's "Repair Disk" routine repeatedly until it reports twice in a row that your disk "appears OK". Then perform another new installation of Classic — a Clean Install if that option is available to you — and test again.
I can't assure you that this will be the solution to your problems, but it is likely that they stem from some corruption of your hard drive directory, and this procedure will reveal and probably repair such corruption.
If DU's "Repair Disk" routine never gives your drive a clean bill of health without reporting that it had to fix something, you will need a stronger disk utility such as DiskWarrior or TechTool Pro to make the necessary directory repairs.

Application that requires Classic but there's no box to uncheck!

I am using Tiger (updated) and there is an application I am trying to open (it's a medical cd-rom, LCP-system, an interactive presentation of a product) that informs me to start Classic.
I don't have Classic, so the system tells me that I don't have a Mac OS 9 folder and it quits.
When I click 'get info' on the app, it says 'kind: application (Classic)', but there is no box 'start in classic environment' to uncheck!
How can I open it without installing Classic, which I don't have nor need in any other situation nor want?
Thank you for the interest.

And another thing.
As with many other problems I encountered since switched to macs (1 month ago) I realised that part of the solution can be found on your own , or in the manuals. But when switching from PCs you have the idea and the expectation that macs don't crash, and in general don't have the same problems. So, if one appears, first, you don't know your way out even to system properties, prefs, etc. and then , you think that if something like that happened to a machine like this one, maybe I shouldn't just e.g. delete the main folder of an operational system , aha!

Used to startup Classic while in OSX but now I can't. +

Hi,
I have three questions in this post. Thanks for helping me with any of them!
I am unable to start up Classic while I am on 10.4.1. I can go into the Start Up disk and select the folder OS.9.1 and restart my computer and I will be in OS.9.1, but when I go to the Startup disk while on OS 9.1 to switch to 10.4.1, there isn't any window to do it from. I had to reinstall 10.4.1 to get back to it. I used to be
able to switch back and forth, but when I upgraded to Tiger I lost the capability.
Most of my apps are on Classic too, Dreamweaver 4, Illustrator 8, Flash 5, Photoshop 6, and I can't get to them either?
Are there any good and reliable cleanup packages to get the garbage out and order your hardrive? Or should I take it to a computer professional? Any recommendations there (NYC)?
Any suggestions?
(P.S. Thanks Tom)

Hi, painterly -
...but when I go to the Startup disk while on OS 9.1 to switch to 10.4.1, there isn't any window to do it from.
By default, OS 9's Startup Disk control panel will show only the one OS (OS 9) in its window. Just to the left of the hard drive's name in the list in Startup Disk is a small bluish reveal triangle - click it, and all valid OS's on the hard drive will be shown. You should then be able to select OSX as the boot OS for the next startup.
You can also hold down the X key while booting in order to force a boot to OSX - press it as soon as the startup chimes sound, keep it held down until you are sure it is booting to OSX. This is a one-off instruction - it will not change the startup setting in PRAM, which will remain OS 9 until it has been reset in Startup Disk.
Note - the Startup Disk control panel that comes with a "virgin" OS 9.1 install can not recognize OSX as a viable boot OS. The solutions for this are ro -
• upgrade just the Startup Disk control panel in OS 9.1. You can download that from here -
Startup Disk 9.2.1 Document and Software
• upgrade the OS 9.1 to OS 9.2.1 or later (9.2.2). You can download those updaters from these pages -
Article #120030 - Mac OS 9.2.1 - Download and Info
Article #75186 - Mac OS 9.2.2 - Download and Info
• use the X key at startup to get back into OSX from OS 9.1.
• boot to an OSX install disk and use its Startup Disk in System Preferences to select OSX on the hard drive as the boot OS.
Holding down the Option key at startup will bring up Startup Manager. This can be used to select the OS you wish to use as the boot OS on that startup, provided that the different OS's are on separate volumes (volume = an unpartitioned drive, or a partition of a partitioned drive). If they are on the same volume, Startup Manager will show but one OS, the one last used on that volume.
Article #106178 - Startup Manager: How to Select a Startup Volume
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I am unable to start up Classic while I am on 10.4.1.
You may need to update the OS 9.1 to OS 9.2.x (9.2.1 or 9.2.2) in order to get OSX 10.4.x to recognize it as Classic. OS 9.2.x provides better compatibility in the Classic mode.
Most of my apps are on Classic too, Dreamweaver 4, Illustrator 8, Flash 5, Photoshop 6, and I can't get to them either?
Until you can get OSX to recognize and use your OS 9 install as Classic, the Classic-version apps will not be able to be run while the machine is booted to OSX.
The solutions for that are to get OSX to recognize OS 9 as Classic; boot into OS 9 whenever you need to use those apps; or get OSX-versions or replacements for those apps.
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Are there any good and reliable cleanup packages to get the garbage out and order your hardrive?
Not really - at least, none that I would trust. Programs such as those behave according to the logic of the folk that wrote the program, and that logic probably does not apply to your collection of files (programs and documents).
Rebuilding the desktop file can help OS 9 run better.
Article #10182 - Rebuilding Desktop File and Icon Recovery
Beyond that, manually cleaning out the garbage (orphaned support files left behind after a program has been deleted, old documents, etc.) is the only safe way to get rid of unneeded things. Even then, be cautious - it's not difficult to accidentally throw away a needed file.
Provided you have at least 15% of the hard drive (ideally at least 5GB) left unused, fragmenting of files should not be an issue. OSX in particular defrags files on the fly as part of its normal operation.

Cannot Open in OSX 10.4.2 running OS9 Classic

There are some problem not only in just in DVD Studio Pro, but also :
1) I cannot install and boot from the OS 9.x CD which came with my old G4 in my new Dual G5, 2GHz. Is it true or any things I must done before ?
2) I then install OS9 Classic in OSX 10.4.2 and install DVD Studio Pro 1.1 and Final Cut Pro 2.0 and upgrade to 3.0 (because of I had many project done in these Version may need some revises required by my clients, even I had brought the New Final Cut Studio but not installed yet), but when I open the application start with Classic, it shows that " That application or control panel was not support by Classic " and stop opening it. It also make me to stop the installation and think about what should I do next not only in the installation but also the future work flow. Are there any expert can give me any solution and suggestion

Dear Chris Vargas,
Great Thanks indeed!! and how honestly you are to make me so desperate !!
But could you give me a little spark -- that are there any method I can convert my old projects that I done in old version to new one easily and need not re-do projects. (because there are so ... so many projects that I had done and may need the amendment to form the new version's DVD)
Please Help !!!

Prints in OS X and when booted to OS 9.2, but not Classic environment

This is for an iMac G3 400MHz with 256MB running a fresh full installation of Jaguar 10.2 and OS 9.2. The printer is an HP LaserJet 2100M with a Netgear FM114P print server.
I first installed the printer under OS X, and that works fine. Then I booted to OS 9.2, installed under that, and it prints fine when I boot to OS 9.2. But it does not print from the Classic environment started in OS X. No error messages are generated. Mac OS seems to think everything is fine. On that point, it may be worth noting that the print server only offers one-way communication (but that works fine when I've booted to OS 9.2).
Anyone recognize this problem?
Further notes: The Netgear is a firewalled wireless/Ethernet router with print server that is now set up in access point mode rather than router mode. It is an access point for a 2Wire gateway. The LaserJet is the only thing connected to the Netgear.

I thought about trying to install the printer a third time, from the Classic environment, but did not figure out how. (Classic environment only shows the Desktop during startup.) I think it would require starting a Classic app, opening the Apple menu from there, and doing something .....
At any rate, I found a solution: print in the foreground (no spooling). From the Print window within an application (File | Print), choose Preferences | Background Printing | Print In: Foreground (no spooling). Then click Save Settings to make this choice the default.
This tip appeared in Apple article 106687, "Mac OS X: How to select an LPR printer in Classic" for the case when "the job doesn't print as expected."
If you try to print with Command-P rather than using the Print menu, printing still spools and thereby fails. I don't know why this is since foreground printing is now the default and does not needed to be selected afresh from the print menu. It seems that Command-P runs the job with certain defaults rather than the the user's saved settings.

Classic 9.2 uses?

Hello,
I just installed Classic 9.2 onto my PB G4 from my install dvd, mainly because my kids have a few games that will run only on Windows or Classic. I've been using OS X now for about 8 months now and have no experience with OS 9 whatsoever and would like some help with a few questions.
How would do I check to see if Classic is up to date? Do I start up in Classic and check for updates via Software Update?
What are the steps, if any, to do when my kids want to play their games? When done playing?
What things can I do, run, while using Classic 9.2?
I'd appreciate it if somebody would educate me on the uses of Classic. Thank you.

1. The first time you start up Classic, Mac OS X will tell you if there are any components which need to be updated.
2. You can simply launch the games; when you're done using Classic, open the Classic pane of System Preferences and stop the Classic environment.
3. Most Mac OS 9 applications which don't require direct access to hardware will run in Classic.
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