Stateless session beans and idle timeouts (weblogic 10.3.1)

Need clarification about stateless session beans and the idle-timeout-seconds setting.
Situation is this – we have a process that is timing out due to an API call to a very slow Authentication server.
I am trying to resolve this with a code change, but need to further other understand what the server is actually doing.
We have a session bean which calls another which is calling a util class that does all the work and returns the results back up to the initial session bean. I have left out the ejbName in these examples (it’s irrelevant here).
Example:
SessionBean1 // basically called just once a day
@Session(defaultTransaction = Constants.TransactionAttribute.SUPPORTS,
enableCallByReference = Constants.Bool.TRUE,
type = Session.SessionType.STATELESS,
transTimeoutSeconds = "0",
initialBeansInFreePool = "0",
maxBeansInFreePool = "20")
Methods
@RemoteMethod() public boolean getUserList(String adminGroup) {
Map usrList = getUserList(adminGroup);
Private Map getUserList(String adminGroup) {
     return SessionBean2.getUsers(adminGroup);
SessonBean2
@Session(defaultTransaction = Constants.TransactionAttribute.SUPPORTS,
enableCallByReference = Constants.Bool.TRUE,
type = Session.SessionType.STATELESS,
transTimeoutSeconds = "0",
initialBeansInFreePool = "3",
maxBeansInFreePool = "20")
Method
@RemoteMethod() public Map getUsers(String adminGroup) throws RemoteException {
return javaUtilClass.getUsers(adminGroup);
JavaUtilClass
Method
public Map getUsers(String adminGroup) throws RemoteException {
     // This is where the work happens, calling the Authentication server to get a complete
     // list of users for an admin group. When the user list is around 1500 entries, this can
     // take an hour. Did I mention this server is very slow? It’s about this threshold of 1500
     // that causes the timeout.
     return Map of users
First thought, just bump the idle-timeout-seconds setting for the session beans (from the default 600), but that would be a temporary solution until the user list grew larger.
Second thought, refactor the call to the Authentication Server API to get the user list in blocks of data (say 400 at a time) and decreasing the call/response time between the method getUsers and the API call. This would still occur in the JavaUtilClass, so I am unsure this would make a difference. The session beans would still be idle and subject to timeout, correct?
Would setting initialBeansInFreePool to 1 in SessionBean1 make any difference?
Or should I be looking at replicating the re-factored method from the JavaUtilClass in SessionBean1 where the user list is being used so that the API calls come back to it and keep it 'active'?
Thanks for any advice you could give me on this.

Hi
regarding timeouts, there are two ways:
1.- Changing the settings in the JTA WebLogic domain , called "Timeout Seconds". This will affect globally to all EJB deployed in the domain.
or
2.- Specified directly in the bean with a weblogic annotation, like this:
@TransactionTimeoutSeconds(value = 300)I hope this will help you.
Regards.
Felipe

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    If I store the stateful session bean in HttpSession, then I can get it in the second jsp. My problem is that I can store the stateless session bean in HttpSession, and get it in the second jsp. Then, both stateful and stateless can maintain the state in the second jsp. What is the difference between stateful and stateless session bean in this case ?
    I understand the definition of stateful and stateless session bean, but I'm confuse how to use session bean. Can anyone provide sample jsp to show difference of stateful and stateless? How the stateful session bean can maintain the state for the client?

    Greetings,
    I create stateful session bean in the first jsp, then how can I get the stateful session bean in the
    second jsp? I find that somebody store the bean in HttpSession.Which is the correct scope for sharing client-specific data when 'request' scope is insufficient.
    If I store the stateful session bean in HttpSession, then I can get it in the second jsp. My problem is
    that I can store the stateless session bean in HttpSession, and get it in the second jsp. Then, bothWhy is that a "problem"? Does your application not require the stateless bean to be shared? If so, then don't store the EJBObject reference in the session...
    stateful and stateless can maintain the state in the second jsp. What is the difference betweenWhat do you mean by this exactly?..
    stateful and stateless session bean in this case ?Statefulness of session beans is in regard to maintaining client state (er, in all cases). If your "stateless" bean is receiving information from the client (i.e. its caller) - either through a create method or a business method - and that information is available (retrievable from the bean) on subsequent method calls, then that bean is, in fact, stateful - regardless of how it is deployed.
    I understand the definition of stateful and stateless session bean, but I'm confuse how to use
    session bean.The correct question, it here seems, is "when" to use which type... Use a "stateful" bean when information about (from) the client (i.e. the caller) must be maintained across method calls of the bean. Use a "stateless" bean for general business methods that do not depend on "prior knowledge" of the client (i.e. the caller).
    Can anyone provide sample jsp to show difference of stateful and stateless? How the statefulA "sample JSP" would yield nothing additional... The semantics of calling, using, and "persisting", bean references are always the same - regardless of type or class. However, the reason(s) for using one over the other depends entirely on the needs of your application.
    session bean can maintain the state for the client?I recommend that you spend more time learning about EJBs generally. In particular, it seems you require more fundamental understanding of their scope and lifecycle. Refer to sections 4, 6, and 7 of the EJB 2.0 Specification.
    Regards,
    Tony "Vee Schade" Cook

  • Difference between stateful and stateless session beans

    can any body explain simply what is the difference between stateful and stateless session beans? also in what kind of situations we can use these.

    Hi
    This is the classificatio os Session Bean.
    (1) Statfull
    (2) Stateless
    Stateful means u will persists the state of the object.
    USESE:
    In a Banking system u can use the statful session just for maintaing the
    state.
    (2) STATELESS: that's mean u do't want to persists any state of the object. that's mean a single Request is coming ,do the desire and give the output.
    EX: A Credit Card System is the Example of Stateless.
    May it will helpfull to understands u. if any need write here
    saM

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