Static discharge, vaccuming keyboard safety?

In the past I have not worried about vacuuming a computer keyboard. However the air has a design that kind of a catches debris. Mustache hair, unidentified objects and crumbs (hey they leap from a plate on a side table as if by magic) .
My battery low power vac is a bit too low power. If I use an AC powered vac that has a three prong power cord; set the suction reducing window open and use a brush attachment will I be OK?
Should I wear a grounded wrist strap? Should I shut down the Air first? I just envision what the inside will be like if I don't start now to reduce the collection of said debris.
Has anyone damaged their MacBook Air from static discharge from vacuuming the keyboard or other wise.
Does any computer repair person, who has experience with this, have thoughts on my adventure into input device cleanliness?

Not sure where my reply went so again:
Neoblackout,
thanks again!
What is this dust collector system thing you're talking about? Its just a normal vacuum right?
Picture a very large vacuum the size of three large trash cans stacked up. With three or four inch hose running from one wood cutting machine to another along the celing of the work shop. Large chips of wood and saw dust get sucked out of the cutters, along the cealing and into one or two big bins.
PS: Oh there's the first reply it took a long time to post such a short reply !
MODERATOR please remove short. Sorry off topic. Have a good morning.

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Take it from an electrical engineer!! The chances of your laptop being zapped by STATIC in those circumstances are extremely low if not nonexistent.
Static electricity builds up on a person and when that person touches something which has been properly earthed ie the chassis to your laptop, the STATIC electricity ceases to be STATIC and discharges through the chassis directly to earth sometimes causing a small shock and no harm to components.
Now then, if the chassis is short circuited to a LIVE component or if by leaning, or pressing in the right area causes the chassis to touch a LIVE component and somebody touches the chassis then that would cause a shock AND possibly affect the component that shorts to earth likely causing the laptop to malfunction.
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1) Discharge static safely to ground without affecting static sensitive components.
2) In the event that bumps, knocks, bangs etc cause some LIVE component, wire or connector to be dislodged and to touch a conductive part of the chassis then that LIVE electricity will be directed to earth lessening the chance of shock.
The ONLY way STATIC electricity could zap your laptop was if you physically touched a static sensitive component (generally a chip or cct board) without either an antistatic wristband or earthing yourself prior. As you state that it was plugged into the mains then that is the route any static would take. As already stated Static will find the shortest route to earth, hence why metal on electrical products always have a little green and yellow lead connected internaly.
The world we've created may not be perfect, but the laws of physics are. On the subject of imperfection, I hardly think that "Google" is the authority on electrical safety. Speak to an actual person who KNOWS what they're talking about and they will confirm what I have told you. Google - a great tool but subject to the imperfections you talk of.
“I guess you refer to mechanical short circuit. Yes these things happen, but in order to initiate one (assuming it is inside) you should physically act on a device (press on it, shake it, flip it etc)” - As you so helpfully point out it’s a portable device and subject to bumps knocks etc. so it is more likely than most products to develop a loose earth or to create a chassis earth.
“there is is such thing called electrical insulation” - Basically this is my point! Insulation has possibly broken down at some point and caused live to touch earth!
“There is no way you can be shocked from the laptop unless you have some metal part under the keyboard under extremely high electric potential (order of kilovolts)” - Or the insulation has broken down causing a short to somewhere else on the chassis which your wife was also in contact with.
“On the other hand your charged body can easily accumulate and carry a potential of several kilovolts” - Agreed! But that voltage is directed to earth away from sensitive components. If that process fails then there is very possibly a more serious issue. By the way technically 20V DC has the potential to cause a pretty serious shock if your wife's resistance is 1000 Ohms (she'd probably have to be soaking wet in bare feet and stood in a pool of water for that to happen, but still...) that makes a current of 20 mA. Try goggling the potential affects of a 20mA shock I wonder what you'd find...! The voltages used within the laptop are actually less than that. 5V and 3.3V if my memory serves me correctly. It is unlikely to result in any serious harm but at the very least its unpleasant and will cause problems with the laptop... It may simply be a loose connection or it may have been a one off... Who knows?
For the record I've worked on computers since I was 12 and I've been working with static sensitive components professionally for 10 years, I do know what I’m talking about. Take my advice or leave it, but if you’re going to question it find someone/thing that is a little more reliable than Google to base your wife’s safety on.
“anyhow. the device is back to life and there's been no complains for more than a week, and it's all that matters.” Till next time???
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