Still confused re: Previews/Thumbnails sizes

I've been reading the archived discussions here and I'm still not understanding why my Aperture library is acting the way it is. Specifically, why is my Thumbnails folder (21.28GB) just about double the size of my Previews folder (11.93GB) and almost half the size of my entire collection of masters (53.5GB)? I have referenced masters on a separate drive. I have Aperture set to generate and maintain previews for every single image, at 1280x1280. I deleted my Thumbnails folder completely to force Aperture to rebuild the thumbnails. I did both the repair permissions and rebuild on the library using the alt-option startup.
What am I missing? Why do I have 21.28GB of Thumbnails for 53.5GB of Masters but only 11.93GB of Previews? If I have Previews turned on for every imagine in the library, shouldn't the Preview folder be at least the same size as the thumbs if not larger?

So i understand that when you are shooting RAW, when you hit the play button, what you see in the rear screen is the JPEG preview.
Because the word preview has a paerticular meaning in Aperture (See below) I'll say, yes that's correct but what you see is a Jpeg Version of the photo. In other words, the camera has processed the Raw and applied various fixes and filters and that's what it shows you.
So when you first view your photos on a computer without importing, is this the same preview?
Yes, to save time Aperture will try read that version rather than generate one of its own.
When you then double click onto the photo again without importing, is this the RAW or the JPEG?
What app are you viewing it with now? Aperture? Something else?
After importing, without clicking, are you seeing the same JPEG preview or a completely new thumbnail?
Depends on what you have chosen in the Aperture -> preferences -> Importing pane.
I know if you then double click a photo, Aperture processes the photo into actual RAW file.
No it doesn't, and it's a really big distinction. Aperture processes nothing. When you view a photo Aperture is just showing you the Raw - the unprocessed image that the camera version is based on.
If the camera is cropping and radically altering the image from the raw to the jpeg then I think you need to look at the camera settings. I can't think why a camera would choose to crop a photo when processing it.

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Still Confused with Previews, Thumbnails etc.

Hi All,
So i'm very new to Aperture, and that business about JPEG previews and thumbnails still has me thoroughly confused. So i understand that when you are shooting RAW, when you hit the play button, what you see in the rear screen is the JPEG preview. So when you first view your photos on a computer without importing, is this the same preview? When you then double click onto the photo again without importing, is this the RAW or the JPEG? After importing, without clicking, are you seeing the same JPEG preview or a completely new thumbnail?
I know if you then double click a photo, Aperture processes the photo into actual RAW file. Thing is, this file is very different to the JPEG preview, the photo you saw on the rear screen of your camera. Some are even cropped substantially so that you lose some sky or part of a building. Is this normal? Is there then a way to retain or revert to the JPEG preview you preferred?
Many thanks,

So i understand that when you are shooting RAW, when you hit the play button, what you see in the rear screen is the JPEG preview.
Because the word preview has a paerticular meaning in Aperture (See below) I'll say, yes that's correct but what you see is a Jpeg Version of the photo. In other words, the camera has processed the Raw and applied various fixes and filters and that's what it shows you.
So when you first view your photos on a computer without importing, is this the same preview?
Yes, to save time Aperture will try read that version rather than generate one of its own.
When you then double click onto the photo again without importing, is this the RAW or the JPEG?
What app are you viewing it with now? Aperture? Something else?
After importing, without clicking, are you seeing the same JPEG preview or a completely new thumbnail?
Depends on what you have chosen in the Aperture -> preferences -> Importing pane.
I know if you then double click a photo, Aperture processes the photo into actual RAW file.
No it doesn't, and it's a really big distinction. Aperture processes nothing. When you view a photo Aperture is just showing you the Raw - the unprocessed image that the camera version is based on.
If the camera is cropping and radically altering the image from the raw to the jpeg then I think you need to look at the camera settings. I can't think why a camera would choose to crop a photo when processing it.

CS6 Mini Bridge - Thumbnail size and preview

I've just upgraded to CS6 (design & web premium) and was setting up my workspace in InDesign, and after adding (docking) Mini Bridge there seems to be no preview or anyway to change the size of the thumbnails I can view.
I use Mini Bridge a lot as we have folders that include 100+ assets in, and it's good to see a small thumbnail to quick scan, then to click on it to see more detail. Now all I can see is a maximum of 6 thumbnails, which means I will need to scroll a lot to find anything.
I've read the following topic from the PS CS6 Beta forum (http://forums.adobe.com/message/4286375#4286375#4286375), and was wondering if this "as designed" thinking has been rolled over to InDesign, meaning that in order to change the thumbnail size (with no preview), I have to have Mini Bridge undocked and if I want to see more detail, I have to enlarge the thumbnail, then reduce again to carry on searching?
If so, it seems like a massive oversight, as InDesign is a layout tool and having easy access to multiple documents to include (and to see what they are) is vital, which isn't helped by the seemingly arcane way to access folders.
Hopefully this is me just being a bit dim and missing something obvious, otherwise it's going to cause a lot of hassle in my day to day work.
If anyone has a definitive answer, that would be great.
Cheers.
Craig Hurford

Adobe needs to realize that if "as designed" results in users thinking it's a bug or otherwise not useful — then it's a bad design choice and should be revised. They need to leave options in place for people that don't agree with some of their "new" aka bad ideas.
Assuming users don't want to use Mini Bridge vertically is just ridiculous — especially since you can't dock it to the bottom in InDesign like you can in Photoshop.
And not showing folders in the thumbnail view is most unintuative thing to do here. If it's a Mini Bridge, why doesn't it behave like bridge and at least have a check box for filtering out folders or something.
Mini Bridge is kind of useless now.
-mpm

NEF files only show as thumbnail size in preview window

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I recently upgraded from a D80 to a D300s. when i import RAW files into bridge from the 300s they only show up as thumbnail size in the preview window. It was fine with the D80 and JPEG's from the 300 show up large as well
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In Bridge, select the affected raw file and click Tools>>Cache>>Purge Cache for folder.
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Unchecked show icon preview but still showed icon preeviews / ikon preview (thumbnail) can not disable,

Systems and Network
2 iMac Intel i5, 8 GB Ram, 1 TB SATA HDD, Mountain Lion (10.8.5 or 10.8.4 )
1 iMac Snow Leopard (10.6.8)
1 Mac pro Intel Xeon, 6 GB Ram, 1 TB HDD, Tiger (10.4.11)
A few power PC G4 Tiger (10.4.11)
1 Linux SME Server 7.5 (Samba Server)
We are works on the Server(Linux). There ara many pictures and Text Files (tif, jpeg, rtf, doc, txt etc.) in server folders.
     On the 2 iMac (Mountain Lion)
          Text files in the folder have viewed normal(optimum) time. But Pictures in the folder have viewed very slow and very long time.Because showing pictures icon (show icon preview) very slow on the Mountain Lion. We tried List View/ColumnView.We have waited very long time(for pictures in the folder) when we selected a folder every time.
          We unchecked show icon preview but still showed icon previews, icon preview (thumbnail) can not disable, We tried "Finder preferences", "View > Show View Options > Show icon preview(unchecked)" and "Show icon column(unchecked)" but still "Show icon preview(checked)" and "Show icon column(checked)"
     On the Power PC G4, Mac pro or iMac (Leopar/snow Leopar or Tiger)
          Everythings ok. There isn't any problem. Text files and Pictures in the folder have viewed normal(optimum) time
This problem only on the Mountain Lion, on the other OS (Leopar/snow Leopar or Tiger) no problem.
How to resolve this problem?
Best Regards

Good news: I found a solution.
Start iTunes, remove all your voice memos from your library (back them up if you need them), quit iTunes. Restart Finder. Done. I hope that helps!

Pictures not displaying in non-thumbnail sizes

One of my clients has an iMac G5 running 10.4.11 and iPhoto 5.0.4. He's got about 3200 pictures in his iPhoto library which is about 12GB in size (they are all very large pictures). He's been using iPhoto without problem for years then suddenly he noticed that some pictures do not display in a slideshow. Out of the 3200 pictures he's narrowed it down so far to a few dozen pictures throughout his library. When we view the roll or the album with the pictures listed as thumbnails, we can see the picture just fine, but when we do anything that involves viewing at non-thumbnail size, such as double clicking on it or viewing in a slideshow it displays nothing. Slideshow just shows all black and double clicking on the thumb shows white with a spinning gear that never stops spinning. I rebuilt his library and that did not fix it. I repaired permissions, trashed iPhoto preferences, deleted tmp & cache files from his computer, I even zapped the PRAM out of desperation and nothing made any difference at all. One weird thing is that when it is siting at the white screen with spinning gear, if we resize the window smaller then resize it bigger, the picture will display properly but only for that time. It still will not display in slideshows.
I tried exporting one of the troublesome pictures out of iPhoto to his desktop, delete the pic from iPhoto, then try re-importing it again. This time when we try to import it, iPhoto gives an error that the file couldn't be imported because it may be an unrecognized file type or may not contain valid data. I can open the pic on his desktop using Preview and Photoshop with no problems at all.
Why am I posting this in the iPhoto '08 forum? well I copied the file to my MacBook Pro running 10.5.6 and iPhoto '08 and it almost does the same thing. I am able to import the file into iPhoto '08 and I can see the thumbnail but when I double click it, instead of a white screen with the spinning gear, i get a black screen and nothing else. I tried the trick of resizing the window and as I'm resizing, I do see a blocky image but as soon as I stop resizing the image goes black.
I can open the file in any program on multiple computers: Photoshop, Preview, GraphicConverter, ColorSync Util, Safari, Firefox, etc. iPhoto version 5 and '08 (the only versions I have handy) refuse to work with the file. I've even edited the picture in photoshop by changing the resolution by just a few pixels and slightly tighter jpg compression but iPhoto still refuses to play nice with it.
I have exhausted all options other than reinstalling the OS, but other posts I've read similar to this say that never fixes it. I am at a loss. What is wrong with iPhoto that it refuses to play nicely with pictures that work everywhere else in the world?
I forgot to add that in Console there are several instances of iPhoto errors:
"have info and image but no ciimage" and “have info and image but no ref”
Message was edited by: Clint Mcintosh

Clint:
Try opening the file in one of the other applications that can use it and save as a new file and see if that new file is compatible with iPhoto. Or you might try this Automator workflow, Convert to JPG and Embed sRGB profile, on one and see if the resulting file will work. If so you can batch change all of them. It replaces the file you run it on so be sure to run it on a copy just to be safe. You can download it from Toad's Cellar or download it immediately with this link: Convert to JPG and Embed sRGB profile.zip.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier versions) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. There are versions that are compatible with iPhoto 5, 6, 7 and 8 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. Just put the application in the Dock and click on it whenever you want to backup the dB file. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.
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Cached Thumbnail Size vs. Performance?

Has anyone increased the size settings for the cached thumbnails? If so, would you care to comment on the performance of PSE after doing so (as well as the size of your catalog)?
Thanks!
Sam

The cached thumbnails are only for showing a preview of your photos. Choosing thumbnails with good quality means you can still share the photos with others with good quality without actually copying the photo to the local system.
It only increases the memory usage when we increase the thumbnail size.
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LR 4 on Windows 8 - Cannot create preview thumbnail when exporting?

I thought I had this figured out but it appears to occur somewhat randomly. Since upgrading to Windows 8 when I export files that I have imported from Canon raw .CR2 for some files it gives an error that "the file could not be written" and lists the original source .CR2 file name. It does not do it everytime but once it happens it happens everytime for that file. When exporting 10 JPG files for example only 3 of them may have this issue. The file still exports and creates the JPG file and the only issue with the exported file appears to be that it did not create the preview thumbnail.
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Ok, after lots of attempts to recreate I can do it like this:
Export as JPG to hard drive and select 'limit file size' option and give any size smaller than the full 100% quality JPG would normally create. Using any other options to limit file size such as quality < 100 or resize long edge to 1024 completes successfully.
Can someone else confirm this on Windows 8 with LR 4.2, it only takes a single file?

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I upload many images to multiple websites and when using Safari to upload these images, the thumbnails are so small I can barely make out what the image is. I can easily figure out how to increase the thumbnail size when viewing them in Finder and set the default to my liking, but I cannot seem to find a way to do this in Safari. The last topic I saw on this was form 2013 and have not seen any update. Is there a way to do this?

Delete all unused, invisible layers.
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Image preview (thumbnail) help request

I'm a recent convert from PC to the new imac *LOVE IT!* However, I'm very accustomed to the beautiful little option in windows to preview thumbnails of image files within their folders, WITHOUT opening them in a program to view them... this does not seem possible in OSX. Is there another program I can get to help with this... er something. I'm a digital artist, and I have MANY resources files (i.e. textures, vector files, etc.). I need to be able to preview what they are without having to open 8,000 images in another program just to find the ONE that I need.
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Sorry to tag in, but I have wreid question hope you can help:
This is post on this forums on Oct-05-2007, but nobody since has any suggestion.
I have the following:
A. MBP is Intel base Core 2 Due.
B. All the software version are the most updated.
C. Canon IDsMKII, with all Canon software up to date on July-2007.
D. PS3, il3.
E. No other image program.
My old iMac is ok to copy Canon Raw file directly from the CF card and have correct thumbnail orientation. But not now anymore!
Before Aug 2007, not exact date, I import, download or copy from the CF card with following method to my new MBP:
1. Copy direct from the CF card, which don't have the correct orientation thumdnail.
2. So I use Canon's CameraWindow to import the RAW file, which can creata correct orientation thumbnail. Also have a very tiny preview icon in the colume list.
3. But this couple days all the Raw file for JPG that I put in the MBP only have landscape thumbnail. The previous import file still OK with correct thumbnail orientation.
4. For JPG, I need to open and save by PS3 without modify then it will have correct orientation thumbnail. But no luck for Raw file.
I tried to re-boot the MBP with hold down the apple + control + P + R as suggested by Apple to clear up whatever in the memory. But no luck.
However, any file that I stored in NAS that was copied previously with correct orientation thumbnail will have the following effect:
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2. If I move them from the desktop to a folder, then the thumbnail will back to their correct orientation. Then I move it back to desktop, it shows correct.
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MBP Mac OS X (10.4.10)

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I can only see album pictures on Facebook in thumbnail size, when I open the picture it will not load. I can open these pictures on other computers but not mine.

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Open the Media tab of the "Page Info" window. 
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Pictures are thumbnail size after project import

I imported a project from my external drive and some of the pictures in this project are normal in size but others appear the size of thumbnails. When double-clicking on them or pressing the F key they stay that thumbnail size in the viewer and I would like to get them to normal size. Please help.

Thanx for answering "jinpack". The story is a little more complicated. My aperture libraries were not opening and I took the external hard drive to the Apple Store to a lady that is Aperture Certified. Bought a brand new external drive after running some tests on the older drive and on the MacBookPro. All tests appeared normal. So she right-clicked the projects and selected "Show package contents" and dragged them to the new external drive. I am not sure if she consolidated the libraries or if she did anything else but I returned yesterday and of course she was on vacation. Si I'll have to wait.
I just went back to the old external drive where the libraries were (still are) and some of the pictures in that project were missing and they were there before. A lot of these are present in the new external drive but appear as small (I call them) thumbnail sized. I guess if I cannot find the master RAW images I can always go to master JPEGs.
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How to rebuild previews (thumbnails) in library (lightroom 1.0)?

After installing the back-up file of my Lightroom-library, the previews (thumbnails) of pictures in my library became 'blank'.
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Normally, the thumbnails should be rendered automatically. You can force the preview rendering process by choosing Render Standard-sized or Render 1:1 Previews from Library menu. However, before running either of these commands you will want to delete the file with named Lightroom Previews.lrdata
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2Xclone:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. Just to be sure we're on the same page here's the workflow I use to get a borderless 4x6:
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click once on the picture you want to print to make sure it's selected.
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click on the Print button.
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Do you Twango?
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