"Store Presets with Catalog" doesn't move existing presets

Is there a good reason why Lightroom does not offer to move current user presets when the "Store Presets with Catalog" is selected in Preferences>Presets?
If I have set up presets, templates etc. they are all gone without any warning as soon at this inocous little tick box is clicked.
Using Lightroom 4.1
Windows 7 64bit
RzB

Yes, the behavior is frustrating, goofy and not intuitive. It is alarming to see your user presets appear and disappear when you toggle the option check box on and off.
Not sure if Symbolic links are an option on Windows or not, but I use them on the Mac (instead of the breakable Aliases) along with DropBox. This way you I sync up multiple machines with my precious presets and other user created documents. This solves the problem of syncing DNG and Lens profiles which should but don’t live with the presets. Adobe should fill the preset folder with virtually every user configurable item like DNG profiles and Lens profiles and give us a way to easily keep them in sync.
I only use one catalog. So I have the Store Presets with Catalog on and clone the one drive among others to use with different machines. Symbolic Links take care of the other files but I wish I didn’t have to resort to this approach.

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MentatYP wrote:
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