Strange ghost monitor with AGP cards....

Before I get into it let me just say it's not a faulty computer part or an incorrect installation, or even what system I'm using.
I noticed when I got my GeForce 2 in 2001 that after installing it it was detecting two monitors. This was right around the time I upgraded to Detonator drivers. Suddenly the computer thought I had two monitors. One with the correct label and the other just "Default Monitor". No matter what I did (removing it etc.) it still came back every time I restarted windows. I tried removing all my PCI cards, switching orders, re-installing and eventually got a different card, a GF4. Guess what... same weird double monitor thing.
The strange thing is that it doesn't effect any programs. Meaning I don't have any errors, conflicts, or freezing. Just this ghost monitor. So now your going to say... oh it's your monitor. Nope! I just bought a new computer system last week which is completely newer and different from my old and after installing everything *including the new Nvidia drivers) the ghost monitor is back. With a different system and monitor.
So now I'm beginning to think it's suppsoed to be there as part of the drivers. Maybe Nvidia set that up for a reason? I going to by a GF4 Ti 4200 this week and I was curious if the ghost monitor is going to still be there.
Anyone else notice this? It's especially strange since I switched systems and cards and it's still there.
Thanks
Dave
Old system:
900 mhz AMD
Geforce2 -> then GF4
128 ram
crap compaq board
Win Me
Detonator Drivers
Bad Compaq CRT Monitor
New System:
AMD 2400+
256 Ram DDR
ECS 233 FSB DDR board
GF4-> buying GF4 TI 4200
Win Me
Detonator Drivers
Generic CRT 17" Orion Monitor

Yeah it set's up drivers for two monitor regardless if I only have one. Must be dual heads then like you said. Doesn't actually effect anything. Though it's strange that I only have one VGA port and not two or VGA/DVI.
I guess that it answers it though.
Thanks!

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Originally posted by Qnt
Hello!
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