Strange K8N Neo4

Hi, got my K8N Neo4 AMD 64 bit system built and having strange probelms.
My System:
K8N Neo4 with AMD 64 3000+ (Winchester Core) 939
Geil 1GB PC3200 400MHz 2-64x64 Dual Channel Ultra Series DDR Memory 184Pin
Maxtor 250 Gig Sata Hard Drive (Main Drive)
Maxtor 80 Gig IDE Hard Drive (Archive Drive)
Nec 16x 3500A DVD-RW Drive
Sapphire Radeon X600 Pro PCI Express 128MB DDR Video Card
BUFFALO WIRELESS USB ADPT
Creative Labs 56k Modem.
ChiefMax 650W PSU (+3.3V=36A, +5V=36A, +12V=34A, -12V=1A, -5V=1A, +5VSB=2A)
My problems,  I get Random Lock Ups,  USB Devices not being recognized.
When Pluging in a PQI iStick Pen Drive, I might get that the USB device is not Recognized, or the Computer might just Lock UP.
Also will get the same thing with other USB Devices, like a LogiTech 4000 Pro Web Cam,  my Epson C80 Printer.
Also have been on the net just chatting with Yahoo IM or surfing when the system will just reboot or Lock Up.
Any Ideas?
Thanks
Gordon
PS.  I am not Over clocking at all.  No Desire to overclock,  computer is fast enough for me.  I don't play games except for FS 2004

Ok, I will try posting this again.  (Computer rebooted while typing it) 
I moved my PCI Modem to the Orange PCI slot and most of my lockups are gone.  Not all, just don't seem to be as many.
Still have the USB problems.  ON boot up, usb works great.  after awhile, usb seems to disappear.  When any thing is plugged in, just get that the device could not be recognized and any USB devices that are plugged in  no Longer work.
So, could it be my PSU?  (see first post for specs)  or M/B crapping out? 
When My computer restarted from a Random Reboot, Windows said it recovered from a Serious Error.
When ever I have had to Power off the system and reboot from a lockup, I have not gotten that error.  So, really not sure if it would be the PSU or not.
Are there any PSU testers that would help?  Not those yes there is power, no there is no power type.

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    Posted by: Talannon
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36
    Try flipping the floppy cable over and see if the BIOS recognizes it. That is a common mistake that all of us make from time to time. The red stripe (pin 1) goes toward the power plug on that one and it is opposite as a rule from the other ribbon cables, because the normal power plug on the hard drives have the power plug on the opposite side.
    It will only go in the way I put it. Other thing is the power supply is an ATX with 20 pin. My manual says it should work but it also says that I could use a 24 pin SSI power supply but never use those. Again I am sure the power supply is in correctly cause I couldn't plug it any other way anyway.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36
    Second, tell us exactly what drives you have and how you have them hooked up...here is an example: Maxtor 30 gig IDE, set as master, on the end of the ribbon cable, and connected to IDE #1.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36
    Third, the memory thing does seem to be an issue. Is the memory that you have listed on the QVL list in the motherboard manual?
    My ram is PC3200 (DDR 400) it's supported from what I can read in the book
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36
    For now, for testing purposes, just leave one stick of Ram in the board, and do follow the instructions in the manual about where that single stick should be. As an example, some boards require that when you use a single stick, that it is in Dimm2, Dimm3, or even Dimm4 instead of Dimm 1. That feature is new to some who don't regularly build, so please check that out before you go too far.
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    Posted by: Talannon
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ginger6
    I dont think it is your power supply, the power supply you have should handle what you have got no problem, the problem will be your memory...... are the 2 memory sticks you have identical, ie: same manufacturer, same speed, same chips on the board..... to run in dual channel mode you need both sticks to be exactly identical otherwise you will have problems.
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    Kevin
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    Posted by: Talannon
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    Posted by: whodatknocking
    Quote:
    First I get the computer and at first boot I get no video signal. I see that I forgot to put the spacer between MoBo and the case. 
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    post back
    Posted by: Talannon
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    Posted by: whodatknocking
    try 3
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    post back
    Posted by: Talannon
    changed nothing
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