Strange library and vault sizes

Hi there, I have been updating my library, vault and back-ups with some surprising results:
managed library (internal HDD on MacPro) - 140.76GB
vault (on separate internal HDD on MacPro) - 132.66GB
library back-up (copied to NAS) - 142.56GB
vault back-up (copied to NAS) - 56.96GB
offsite library back-up (copied to Maxtor 1TB drive) - 67.94GB
offsite vault back-up (copied to Maxtor 1TB drive) - 134.2GB
Does anyone know why:
1. The vault should be a smaller size than the library
2. The vault and library copies should be a different size than the files on the Aperture generated packages?
This makes me feel uneasy - do I actually have a reliable back-up? Also, these are large files and take many hours to copy from the Pro to the NAS and then the Pro to the Maxtor. I'm wondering if it would be more efficient to change to a referenced system and then use software like Sync! to copy across files that have been edited rather than the entire managed library.
Any comments, suggestions welcome. Also, any pointers to information re back-up philosophies.
Thanks in advance, Mark

Hi Mark,
This could be your answer.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9291855&#9291855
Cheers!

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