Strange Trinidad components situation

Question

Hello,
it's not the first time I ask about Trinidad.
As all of us know, Oracle donated ADF Faces to Apache Software Foundation, and it's now a Trinidad project.
It (is/was) a good news, but Oracle support for Trinidad seems slight.
A lot of Oracle developers are listed at the Team page at ASF (http://myfaces.apache.org/trinidad/team-list.html). Nevertheless, it seems to me that there main task was renaiming - and even renaiming took great amount of time! Only a few new components appeared, no tutorials are written. The progress seems slight comparing to the progress achieved by the other projects, or by Oracle itself in ADF Faces development. In fact, no new ideas appeared at Trinidad! All I can hope is Oracle donating of the new components - and then fall behind other projects again! Sometimes i think that 1 fully engaged developer could do much more!.. With such a little progress - how can we believe in Trinidad? Formally, it belongs to Apache now, and at foums I often see "Ask Apache"...
I understand, that Trinidad is a "good will" of Oracle, I am glad we have these components. But - I think - good software, that will be widely used, is not developed so! Where are the enthusiasts? And why not make Trinidad the leading component set - wouldn't it be pleasant for you?
It's an Apache affair, I know, and something is done, I know it too, but who will care about the project if not it's creators?
By the way, the links at this Orcale page are outdated for a long time - http://oss.oracle.com/trinidad-adf-faces.html - as if noone is interested about Trinidad... I think, it could be useful to have a separate Trinidad forum (why not?), provide tutorials and of course have a full support in JDeveloper 11g! And make Trinidad a dynamic project by debeloping it together with ADF Faces, not by Developing - Donating - Integrating - Waiting- Waiting - Waiting...
I suggest we have an open discussion of Trinidad here. Please, those of you, who use Trinidad or look at it, appreciating the possibility to use, - tell your opinion!
Thanks in advance!

Answer 1

Hi,
don't misjudge the community effort in Trinidad because many components you see in Trinidad have been build and/or enhanced by non-Oracle contributors to the project. It is the community's decision - and responsibility - to rename components and to re-package software to get out of conflicts with the Oracle owned namespaces after source code donation.
Valerij,
"I understand, that Trinidad is a "good will" of Oracle, I am glad we have these components. But - I think - good software, that will be widely used, is not developed so! Where are the enthusiasts? And why not make Trinidad the leading component set - wouldn't it be pleasant for you?"
I take it that you are interested - as an enthusiast - to work on Trinidad. If so, let me know and I help you to get onto the Trinidad mailing lists. They are quite happy to get new developers on board.
By the way, the links at this Orcale page are outdated for a long time - http://oss.oracle.com/trinidad-adf-faces.html - as if noone is interested about Trinidad... I think, it could be useful to have a separate Trinidad forum (why not?), provide tutorials and of course have a full support in JDeveloper 11g! And make Trinidad a dynamic project by debeloping it together with ADF Faces, not by Developing - Donating - Integrating - Waiting- Waiting - Waiting...
Actually we discussed doing more work around the Trinidad anthem, especially with JDeveloper 11, which will consume Trinidad components and in which we don't have our own stack - ADF Faces HTML components - to maintain and explain.
as I see (at Apache SVN repository), mainly bugs are corrected in the Trinidad project now (only a few components are added) - while everybody needs new components, first of all - templates (as in JDev 11)
Not true. Have another more deeper look. There are new components added and some existing components re-architectured (see the table component that no longer needs a separate tableSelectOne or tableSelectMany component). Templating is a candidate for open sourcing as well, which might explain why there is no development in Trinidad going on. However, I am sure you recognized and appreciated the work the Trinidad community did on Facelets integration.
... why not develop new components right inside Trinidad project?
But this is what is happening, isn't it ? ADF Faces RC is a separate product stack. The ADF Faces HTML UI component set is Trinidad from JDeveloper 11 on.
Hmm... Am I the only one interested at Trinidad at the forum? Noone else wrote...
No, basically I am all in and I did promise the guys that as soon as I have more time to spend on this, I'll contribute actively. And in fact I started a first project on this helping ADF Faces users to move more smoothly to Trinidad.
Carlosan,
but not all the time whe can use that kinda components, in fact, the clients are always pushing for more independence from app servers
ADF Faces components don't have a Oracle Application Server dependency!
and obviously less costs
yes, this makes a difference. Trinidad does not have a licence cost
.. so how we can fix the situation, our development team look at heavens giving thanks for the donation of Trinidad Components, but now, this is a embarrassment, the use of trinidad makes slow our projects in jdeveloper.
One option for you is to also become a contributor to Trinidad supporting the idea of open source and free software. Oracle, as Ric mentions goes full throttle on this idea and contributes new developments as well as resources to move this project to success. However, for both Trinidad and ADF Faces RC, once it is put into Apache incubator, we need community. Note that a criterion in Apache for whether or not a project is ready for open source is community. This is not only the consuming community but the contributing community as well.
Frank