Strangeness in Sample Editor / Arrange

I have an audio file (aif) in my bin. I drag it to the arrange page. It plays fine. I can make edits, create regions, everything one could want. I double click on the region and the Sample Editor opens but with the wrong file - something I had open before. So ok, I figure I'm a reasonable guy, I can adjust, adapt, make changes - so I delete the wrong file from my bin and try again. I click on the aif in the arrange window - the correct file - and the Sample Editor opens and says - Nothing to Display.
I tried moving it to a different track. Still no good. I'd sure like to normalize this file but it won't open in the Sample Editor.
Any ideas, ye comrades of the logic discussion?
Cheers,
MJ

Hate that bug! ...or should I say those bug variations:
wrong region displayed
"nothing to display" message
wacky timeline displayed
What works for me:
1. Quickly toggle the sample editor in Arrange open/closed/open a few times.
2. Quickly change screensets a few times.
3. Open the region in the "big" sample editor (Window>Sample Editor) then switch back to the "small" one in Arrange. (Or stay in the big one if it fixed it)
4. Open a new Arrange window (Window>Arrange) and close the old Arrange window then open the sample editor in your new Arrange window.
Don't close the wacky Arrange window until you've opened a new one or Logic will think you want to quit.
No rhyme or reason as to which method may work for any of the bug variations
See if any of these help.

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If nothing else, this huge list of updates and fixes, shows clearly that the Logic Dev team is working hard on fixing and improving LPX to a major degree.... and from the list of fixes done.. show they do read the bug reports submitted!
As an aside....
I recall how all the 'naysayers' prior to LPX (and in some cases, since...) were proclaiming how Logic was dead, the team was being disbanded, we won't see any further development, the Dev team doesn't listen or care... and so on....... I wonder where those people are now?

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I received a few AIFF files from someone Im working with: 24 bit, 44.1, same as I use. However, although they show up fine in the sample editor, in the arrange window they look clipped, as if they've been recorded too loud. This is making them very hard to edit. I've tried refreshing the overview in the sample editor, but with no success. Has anyone got any tips?

Does the file appear distorted visually, or does it also sound distorted?
In arrange, between the *Horizontal Zoom Slider* and the *Horizontal scroll arrows* you'll see a Waveform button with which you can adjust how "fat" the waveform is displayed. Clicking toggles it between the last setting and fully zoomed out. Clickhold to let the slider pop up.
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Sample editor headaches.

i find the sample editor clumsy and frustrating...
i have opened a garageband project into logic. now i want to move an audio part so i copy it and paste it.
but in the sample editor, i see ExTrA audio? this must be what i had trimmed off of the beginning and DelEtEd?
but i deleted it so why does it exist ??
(oh yeah and before my rant; howcome if i copy an audio event and past it, then when i change the copy, it changes the original too.
like is that what you mean by your destructive editing? yet it saves junk i want to delete???? what. its so stupid). whose idea was that. useless dumb.
why is everything about a mac always so wierd. i only like it cos it doesnt blow up yet and my pc does.
what is destructive editing then someone please tell me?
because i have to say i am SICK and tired of all these "precautions" and safety features all software has now but i still lose data. these precautions ever serving me any use or save me anything... no.
nothign but a pain and
how much hard drive space am i going to WaSte over the Years, with all this JUNK i wanted to DELETE but i never know if its gone or just hidden from ME on MY hard drive that I went to the store and brought home and i own it, not logic and its stupid safety precautions.
so there.
also, having sample playback seperate from the project playback would be cool as a Non-default option.. but i think it should be more like garageband by default.
also, if youre gonna make it tuck the trimmed pieces away why call it destructive and why not just rip of tracktion a step further and put the nifty little fader things up in the corner in the arrage area, right? cos those are cool and i use em all the time, unlike oh screensets for example.
cos as it is.... im just frustrated and confused.
there is audio in my project that i dont even REMEMBER RECORDING and it pops up and i have to
STOP
being
CREATIVE
and
PRODUCTIVE
and instead i must begin to be here askign for help and offering my constructive criticizm.
so tell me, is this to do with importing from garageband?
but garageband is suposed to delete what i delete too. destructive.
so WHY am i HERE asking for help about audio i obviously wanted GONE
so i could focus on what i WANT to hear.
now im all like oooh, what is it?? is it important?
is... it like... what is it? why is it there? if i get rid of it will i find out it was something i wanted to keep and not junk like i thought
man this is so frustrating, just when your pc blows up too.
grrr. grrr. grr. get it? boo to sample editor!
everything else seems cool tho. im getting efficient with midi editing but
i am almost AFRAID to even touch the sample editor, yikes.
its gonna go wrooong and i will be like ok great leave it up to me to blow up a mac.... with all those funky comercials on tv.
and i will accidentally delete a wicked guitar solo and it will be gone.
but i got this junk i dont even know where it came from. boo hoo hoo hoo hoo.

Hi,
well, it took me some time to try and understand your actual questions...
First of all, the concept behind the arrange window and audio editor is really very smart and "logical", but if you misunderstand this concept, all kinds of strange things start happening, because your brain and mouse clicks will speak another language than Logic Express....
Logic Express is a high end application, for people that find Garageband too limiting. The consequence is that it's more complicated, simply because it has to do complicated things. But the guys who programmed Logic had excellent reasons to build it the way they did, believe me.
Now, if you record something, Logic will simply make an audio file like any audio software on any computer. You'll be able to see this file in the audio bin.
Besides that, you'll see a region appear on the track that you used to record the audio on. This region is a "building block", and it only contains a reference to the actual audio. So, if you take the scissor tool, and cut the region in 2 pieces, for instance, you get one building block that will play the first half of your audio file, and another one that plays the second half. And if you use the crossfade tool (see page 359 of the LE 8 User Manual) on a region, it will not do anything to your original audio material, but simply gradually turn down the volume. This really great, because you may want to use a whole piece of audio in one verse, and only a part of it in another. You simply copy the region, mess around with the copy, while nothing happens to the first region. That's non-destructive editing. So, most things you do with regions in the arrange window are non-destructive, and therefore not dangerous.
Now to the Sample Editor. Everything you do hear will have an effect on any region using this audio, so this is destructive editing, and therefore dangerous. So, if you want to repeat something in your song, you almost certainly won't do it here!!! You only should use the sample editor for things that are wrong in your original recording. Suppose you played a wrong pitched note. You can use "Time & Pitch Machine" to repair this one note, and it will be the right note in all regions using this audio.
The audio bin is the place where you can find all audio you recorded for your song. So, if you can't find back something you recorded, look there. Just a hint: give audio tracks in the arrange window a proper name before you hit the record button, and it's much easier to find your audio files back.
Hope this helps....
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Sample Editor - "sample accuracy" is a matter of opinion...

In trying to figure out exactly what was going on with start/anchor/end points in the Sample Editor, I discovered the basic relationship between the Sample Editor and Arrange window... thought this might be useful to others.
Basically, it's a matter of opinion whether or not the Sample Editor truly lets you make sample-accurate edits. By itself, the Sample Editor does let you move the start/anchor/end points to any sample value, and Logic will save and remember these settings, accurate to the sample.
But, you can't rely on those sample-accurate edits when you place the region in the Arrange window. Logic always "remembers" them, but the results in the Arrange window can get sloppy.
Bottom line: Logic forces all region start and end boundaries to rounded tick values. So, if you go into the Sample Editor and adjust the start/anchor/end by samples, it's impossible for all of these edits to get consistently represented in the Arrange window. To get that, Logic would have to allow the region start and end to be between ticks, and it won't allow that--something has to give.
Here's what actually happens: you set the anchor with sample accuracy in the Sample Editor, then you place the region in the Arrange to be at exactly bar 5 (5 1 1 1 1), for instance. You'd expect the anchor to be at exactly bar 5, but it isn't... it's close, but what Logic actually does is line up the region by the region start marker. The region start marker never moves relative to the region's audio: when you try to put the anchor at bar 5, Logic actually slides the region to the nearest tick value--the start marker goes precisely on a tick, and the anchor ends up slightly ahead or behind the bar 5 marker.
Now, this behavior isn't so bad in most cases--can you really hear a few samples difference between exactly where you put the anchor, and exactly where it ends up ? Almost certainly not, although I know an obsessive-compulsive post editor who isn't going to be happy when I tell him this...
But the dark side of this behavior occurs with the region end point. Again, Logic never moves the region start relative to the region's audio--it shifts around the anchor to make the region start fall on a rounded tick. But what about the region end ? Unfortunately, even though the Sample Editor will let you put the region end anywhere you want it, and it will save the region/file that way, that region end will get shifted around to fall on the nearest tick in the Arrange.
So, you cut a sample precisely in the Sample Editor, make sure the start and end fall on zero crossings, then you place the anchor at a transient point and spot the region in the Arrange. What actually happens is that
1) your start region edit gets preserved
2) the anchor gets put somewhere fairly close to the actual spot point
3) the region end gets rounded to the nearest tick
#1 is great, #2 probably OK, but #3 can be a problem. Your region may sound great in the Sample Editor, but it may click on the back end in the Arrange... unless the region's start and end happen by luck to be exact tick multiples of each other, the region end will get moved by a few samples, which may cause a glitch in playback.
My suggestions:
1) Be aware that anchor's aren't placed with sample-accuracy. You probably will never care, but it's good to know.
2) Leave a tick or two of silence at the end of a region. If you use a Sample Editor to trim the region end precisely to a zero crossing, you'll probably get bitten when you put this region in the Arrange. Either do a destructive fade in the Sample Editor, or use the fade tool in the Arrange. (DAWs are going to have to take a few more steps forward before we can stop being superstitious about fading the start and end of every single region, even when edits are at zero-crossings. If the work is important, crossfade everything!)
3) Apple... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE revamp the Arrange window to be sample-accurate. There are so many kludgy little issues that would go away if the base timescale could be samples. Not to mention that almost every other DAW has this...
James
[email protected]
Dual 1.25 G4 Mac OS X (10.4.8)

iSchwartz,
Serves me right for not doing a listening test.
Turns out that you're entirely right about what actually gets played back. I did a few tests by aligning two regions, phase-canceling them, then moving around the start, end, and anchor points.
Sure enough, what I HEARD corresponded exactly to what I saw in the Sample Editor.
But the Arrangement doesn't show things that way--I was looking instead of listening, and in these cases, the Arrangement can show things that are contrary to what gets played back.
When you move that end marker to the right in the last step of your test, I'll bet the Arrange window doesn't show the little glitch that you're now able to hear. And if you take an Arrangement region that ends with a little glitch, you can remove it by sliding the region end a sample to the left in the Sample Editor, but you'll still SEE the glitch in the Arrange window. Looks like the Arrangement plays back exactly what you've got in the Sample Editor, but it DISPLAYS things rounded to the nearest tick.
And this gets more confusing when you move around the anchor point. Trim one of your clicks so the anchor and the region start are both precisely on the transient, and move that region to a bar marker. Then look at the Arrange window at maximum zoom--you'll see exactly what you'd expect.
But... now... go back to the Sample Editor and try moving the anchor a few samples to the right. When you go back to the Arrange window, nothing has changed--the transient still looks like it's precisely on the bar marker, while the Sample Editor shows that it's not.
And it gets weirder... go back to the Sample Editor, and move the region start a few samples to the left. Now, when you go back to the Arrange window, what you see is exactly the opposite of what you'd expect. You'd expect the anchor to have stayed put, and the region start should have moved. Instead, the region start is still at the bar marker, but the audio inside the region appears to have moved.
This is why I was so confused about what was going on. You're completely right about the playback--I did some tests, and all this strange behavior I'm seeing in the Arrange window, none of it makes it to playback. When the Arrange window and Sample Editor disagree, the Sample Editor seems to be ALWAYS right.
But when you start doing sample-accurate editing with the Sample Editor, the Arrange window no longer reflects reality--region start and end markers appear to be on at rounded ticks, even though they're not, and audio will appear to be displaced within regions, even though it's actually lined up perfectly by the anchor.
Just goes back to point #3... it's kludgy crap in the Arrangement resulting from the tick timebase. Logic 8 ?
James
[email protected]
Dual 1.25 G4 Mac OS X (10.4.8)

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I have a project where I was recording test voices for a voice over that was to appear in a TV ad.
The client wanted 8 people to audition and the piece was 8 words which came out to around 3.5 seconds. I gave each person their own track and let them say the line over until they were either satisfied or fed up.
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Sample editor audition button goes silent when any track is solo'd

I've discovered that if a track in the arrange window (and others, I think) is in solo mode, it seems to override the audio audition function when I open the sample editor. This seems to be some poor heirarchical design to me because it forces me to go back to the arrange window (bye-bye sample editor!), find the solo'd track, unsolo it, move the window to hunt for the sample editor, or open another sample editor window from the track I was originally working on. A complete nuisance. Shouldn't the sample editor have priority?
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Excellent! I can't imagine how you discovered that...
The little "1" in the parameters indicates which audio channel the sample editor plays through - you can change it to anything, but this is not saved in a song (annoyingly enough), so whilst for most people it would be more convenient to set it to track 128 or something, we have to leave it at 1 and reserve that channel for the sample editor, or keep changing it all the time.
So it's mostly understanding of how Logic works that gets you these steps, and that comes form trial and error, experience, exploration, manual reading, and asking other people...
Could you describe the key command set-up you mention here?
Everyone of us here will have different requirements and workflows - I strongly recommend digging through the key commands window to see what useful things lay in store. Some things I use frequently others may have a different way of achieving, and some commands I never use are absolutely essential for others.
The beauty and the achilles heel of Logic is that it is so configurable - great for power users, but often it leaves new users confused as they simply don't know enough to set themselves up efficiently.
But key to efficient working with Logic are selection, navigation, zooming, screensets, linked windows (especially editor windows) and personalised key commands and autoload songs. So do explore those tools and see what they have to offer.
The tip I mentioned here doesn't help you particularly, but there are loads of key commands that will - I'd suggest starting a separate thread with just this issue and ask how others here would handle it - you might be suprised how many different answers you get - many ways to skin the same cat in Logic
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It's also tricky to make these kind of judgements when you aren't too familiar with things - you may be right on the money, but you also may just not know key concepts and workflow tips that make things much easier.
There are plenty of new users who post along the lines of "Logic is cr.ap because..." and within a few posts it's abundantly clear that they just simply don't have a clue - I'm not implying that about you at all - I'm just simply saying that it takes time to build up workflows and explore the small little things that make or break an efficient workflow.
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has been compensated for.
on balance i would edit with the sample editor.
I was thinking that you could delay the rest
of your tracks by however many samples thus
aligning by compensating everything else though
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how many samples you select in the sample editor even
if you cannot see them individually. So I will defer
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