Stuck with a 802.11b/g router?

I have a MI424WR (Rev E) router with a 50/25 plan. This router only supports the 802.11b/g networking standards, which of course, has a theoretical wireless speed of 54Mbps, but in actuality doesn't get anywhere near those numbers due to overhead. Therefore, I'm paying for speeds I can't wirelessly obtain. I've found my way around the issue by connecting to a 2nd router which supports 802.11n, but I'm not really sure why I should have to do this. Why has Verizon supplied me with such old technology? I did some research and found this particular router began production around 2008. Is this a ploy to get people to spend more for faster speeds, or buy the "advanced" router for $100, or should I have been given a newer model modem which actually does support 802.11n?
I tried to do a chat with support, but he just wanted me to go through some pointless troubleshooting steps. I got frustrated trying to explain that my issue is hardware limitations, not router settings and ended the chat.

hlppls wrote:
Verizon bases the fact that the wired portion of the router supports your service. They still will not guarantee wireless speed so the wireless portion of the router is a just an extra feature. Turn off your router and call in saying it doesn't work. They will send you another one and chances are hight that it might be a gen 3. Even if it is a gen 3 they still will not guarantee you wireless.
Keep in mind that doing this *might* invoke a router rental fee or replacement charge on the bill, if Verizon is still doing that. He may be just be better off buying another cheap router with Wireless N or AC and either setting it up as an AP/Switch, or making the ActionTec into a backup router and take it out of the picture entirely.
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Kadege wrote:
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