Sub con Duty reversal afer 180 days

Hi,
We have to cancel the duties in case of time elapsed ( more then 180 days)
Step 1 J1if13 reversed the challan now status showing as reversed
step 2 How to reverse the moment if reversed challan duties will reversed or need to pass JV
step 3 If material expecting to receipt in that case how to take credit agian
J1if13 Recredit optin will allow to take the credit again or seperately in need to take credit if it is yest from which t code
and after taking recredit system will once agin will open the challan for another 180 days or how to see the date due for reversal.
Pl explain indetails if possible attach screen shots would be great help
Regards

Hi,
hi
1. Raw materials are sent to the subcontractor for processing into finish goods through subcontracting challan and in that no excise duty is debit to the excise and this challan includes only approximate value of goods.
2. The subcontractor needs to send back the material within 180 days of receiving the material into subcontractor premises, in case if he fails to send the material within 180 days then the company needs to debit the CENVAT duty, the process as -
If the allotted number of days elapses and the subcontractor has not returned some or any of the materials in the challan (status: Posted or Assigned), you must reverse the excise duty that you have credited to your CENVAT account. The scrap has to be returned by the subcontractor. If it is not returned, the excise duty for the scrap has to be reversed.
This function sets the status to Reversed. From here, you have two options:
u2022 If you do note expect the subcontractor to return the materials, you can complete it.
Complete
1.From the SAP Easy Access screen, choose Logistics u2192 Procurement u2192 Subcontracting u2192 Subcontracting Challan u2192 Complete/Reverse/Recredit.
2. Enter the challan number and year.
3. Choose .
4. Select Complete challan.
5. Save the challan.
u2022 If you do expect the subcontractor to return at least some of the materials, you can leave it as it is for the time being. Then, when the materials arrive, you can recredit the excise duty to the account .
Recredit
If a subcontractor returns materials after the return date, you can recredit the excise duty credit that you have reversed.
Recrediting the CENVAT Account
1. From the SAP Easy Access screen, choose Logistics u2192 Procurement u2192 Subcontracting u2192
Subcontracting Challan u2192 Complete/Reverse/Recredit.
2. Enter the challan number and year.
3. Choose.
4. Select either of the following options:
u2212 Take recredit for receipts
This leaves the challan open for further goods receipts.
u2212 Take recredits if any and completes challan
This completes the challan and writes off finally any CENVAT credit that you might have been able to claim.
5. Save the challan.
Regards,
Pardeep Malik

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