Subclips in FCP6

I'm sending clips, about 20 [10 second]cuts from a long [20 minute] single clip, to Motion to build an open. The problem is that when I tried to optically re-time one of the clips it analyzed the entire original [20 minute] clip. I wanted it to analyze and re-time just the part of the clip in the edit.
So I thought I would subclp in FCP6 and then make the subclip master clips. I have done this several times in 5.1.4, usually I just highlight the clip in the timeline, press "x" to mark the in and out, command-U or make subclip from the modify menu and the subclip appears in the browser as a clip with jagged edges. The I could highlight the subclips and convert to master clips.
But when I follow those steps in FCP6 instead of the subclip icon in the browser I get a sequence icon with a subclip name. When you double click it, it opens a new timeline with that subclip name.
Is there an easy way to cut up a long clip and then turn the shorter edits into master clips?

Not to rub you the wrong way, but are you sure your workflow hasn't changed? The ability to subclip a sequence isn't new to FCP 6 - it's been around since 4.x. (at least).
That said, unless you've going to use Media Manager (or Compressor) to replace/supplement your 20-min captured clip with a fresh QT file, Motion still won't have an easier job with Optical Flow retiming because the XML transfer between Motion and FCP sends the entire captured clip (that 20 min clip). Only Soundtrack Pro 2 can understand subclip (or referenced media) limits.
Though it might not be suitable for your workflow, the first thing that comes to mind is to batch export your subclips as (reference) QT movies so that you drop the right-size chunks into Motion.

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"When multiple instances of the project panel are open" ...
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In other words, I guess you could say that I am looking for a way to "capture" in reverse? Rather than having to go back and recapture just that portion that is now edited as a subclip, is there any way to do this easily in reverse?
It would be ideal if there was a command that took your subclip and simply created a new original file that was now simply the length of your final edited clip or piece in the time line.
I am trying to reduce the size of the original file having to be referenced by Premiere Pro each time to speed up the editing process, but without having to go back and redo the capturing process.

You didn't indicate what sort of footage you're working with, but depending on what it is, you could use the Project Manager to create trimmed clips and a new project file that references those trimmed clips. You could then delete the original media after confirming that what you wanted has actually happened.
Go to Project > Project Manager, select your relevant sequences, and the Create New Trimmed Project option. You want to tick the Exclude Unused Clips option, and set the Handles option as you'd like; this controls how much media is available before the in point and after the out point of each clip. When you've set your options you can click the Calculate button to get a rough idea of how much storage space you'll be saving. Pick your destination and let the process work.
Note that this will only work with certain types of media; for example, MPEG-based assets will just be copied as they cannot be cleanly trimmed due to their interframe nature. Read Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 * Archiving and Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 * Trim or copy your project for more details.

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I am often editing short aftermovies from parties and my workflow is as follows:
1) Capture and stash movies in a single folder (there's very little possibility for planning particular shots or tagging videos on the fly)
2) Ingest media into Prelude and go through the clips identifying useful footage, subclipping and tagging
3) Rough cut (optionally) and fine cut to music in Premiere
Now step 2 is where I'm being really slown down. I would ideally like to go through all the media as quickly as possible. Usually there's just one subclip per a clip.
However every time I add a subclip the whole project window just scrolls down and focuses on the new subclip and to continue to the next clip I have to scroll up, tediously look for it or search for it by numbers.
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Remove the focus bug and refocus on the reordered subclip instantly
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Add keyboard shortcuts to go to next/previous clip
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Still it's a huge step up from the Premiere's multi window media organization nightmare but certain (possibly quite common) use cases are still very unrefined.
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Hi, not sure if you'll see this post but the option has been moved to the 'Universal Access' Preference pane in settings.
This drove me utterly mad until I realized that.
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To subclip or not to subclip, that is the question?

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As I continue to gain experience with FCP, one of the consistent challenges I run into is having created subclip of my master footage that is pretty close to what I want in my final production. The net result of that is when I go to add transitions, or work with the View Edit feature, I don't have much in the way of extra footage with which to work.
I believe one choice I have is to create my productions with cuts taken from the master, and then added to the timeline. The result will be (in the browser) many copies of the master, but simply containing different in and out points.
My question is whether this is a problem. I suppose I've avoided this approach as it seemed like it was less precise, and took up more disc space (I know, probably not a real issue, but coming from a time when hard drives were 20 MB, I'm stuck with an old mindset).
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
DG

I don't see any rational argument against using Subclips.
*1) On Roll Edits and Transitions*
If you make the In an Out points for your subclips at the same place you would put the In and Out points when capturing from tape, the created clips will be the exact same length and the ONLY way you will have the option to extend the edits past where the take ends is if you had Subclipped and then Remove Subclip Limits.
*2) On Organization*
FCP allows you to organize and name Subclips in the exact same manner as Master Clips; if the organization of Subclips is jumbled and confusing it is because you are not using the same method of organization for the Subclips as you would for Master Clips... which there is no logical reason not to. Treat them as the same thing.
*3) Why I Subclip*
I'm working on a short narrative film right now with an assistant editor whom I have never worked with. I had captured, logged, and organized the Master Tapes before handing the project off to my assistant. When I got the project back from him I quickly noticed he did a half-assed job and I had to go through the daily continuity log with the Master Tapes making sure I subclipped the takes he had missed. This job was much easier to do from FCP and the captured Master Tapes rather than having to rent a deck and go though the actual Tapes.
*4) How I Subclip*
The best way I have found to make Subclips is not the In and Out method but rather using Markers. Simply open a Master Tape Clip and put a Marker at the beginning of every take. Next to the Master Tape Clips in the Browser will be a grey arrow that when expanded shows all the Markers made in that Clip. Select the Markers in the Browser and go to Modify > Make Subclip (⌘U) and BAM you're whole tape is Subclipped. The Markers will stay on the Master Tape Clips after you make the Subclips so if you ever need to resubclip a take, change the length of a subclip, or anything of the sort it is extremely easy.
That's why I would suggest using Subclips rather than not. The only reason I could see not wanting to Subclip is if you have limited Hard Drive space and you only plan on capturing printed takes.

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I know this is a bit of a long-shot, but I am wondering if I can use an XML file(made after logging a few tapes, but before capture) to make subclips for me?
Basically I have a painful project with 2 tapes i had to capture separately as 1 long individual clip each due to time-code breaks, but as i did first Log & Capture as usual (only to later find it wouldn't batch capture) i didn't want my hard work to go to waste!
Hope I explained that clearly enough,
Adam
Message was edited by: Chocboy

I'm assuming you captured using the non-controllable device setting and have the clip including TC breaks and blank areas etc.
Try this:
Load the clip into the Viewer and play it. Press M to set markers wherever you want them.
If you want to give the marker a more decriptive name, press M a second time whilst the playhead is positioned on the marker. A dialog will open with text input fields. Or, click the marker in the Browser, then click the marker’s name to select it. You can now change the name.
Drag in the Browser to select all the markers or click the first one, then shift click the last one.
Choose Modify > Make Subclip. This will make all the subclips in one go and if you gave your markers new names, your subclips will use them.
The subclips appear in addition to the original clip with the markers. You can rename the subclips, if you want. You can review the subclips, deleting any clips you might not need. If you do remove unused clips, you can use the Media Manager to remove your unused footage from disk, leaving the media for your remaining subclips alone.

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Hi. First time poster, I hope I'm not accidentally posting this in the wrong section. I have scoured the discussions for this problem or I wouldn't dry your eyeballs with this.
Suddenly, right in the middle of editing, I can no longer ADD markers to some specific clips in my bin. It is the oddest thing. In anticipation of questions, I'll give every detail I can conjure, I hope I'm not being too verbose but it's a very puzzling situation.
- The "problem" subclips, to which I can suddenly no longer add markers, at one point had completely normal marker functionality. There's pre-existing markers on these clips that are now no longer editable (with the M or ` key), and every marker menu item under mark -> markers is greyed out, EXCEPT for "add" and "delete all..." neither of which work on the problem clips anyway. These are all functions that work as usual on the non-problem clips.
- Within the problem subclips, I can still navigate to the next and previous markers, with shortcut keys and menu commands. But when I hit M on a marker in a problem clip, nothing happens. And when I hit M in a "blank" space in a problem clip, again, nothing happens, i.e., no marker is added. Nor do the menu commands pertaining to markers function.
- the clips in question are subclips, but so are the clips that have absolutely no problem with marker functionality.
- the clips not having this problem, which outnumber those that do, are not only in the same format, same media, same compression, from the same tape, captured in the same session and on the same drive but are even from the same "master clip" as their problematic siblings.
- the master clip in question has normal marker functionality.
- brand new subclips from that master clip have normal marker functionality, even if their in and out points are identical to the problem subclips...but then again, that's not surprising, since the old ones had "normal births," too.
- if I copy and paste the problem subclips in the bin, the copies have the same problem.
- if I "duplicate as new master clip" the problem subclips in the bin, the duplicates have the same problem.
- I can still edit the markers on the problem clips by right-clicking the drop-down list of markers IN THE BIN and selecting "edit." I can also delete them there by selecting them in the bin and hitting the delete key.
- doing so does not enable me to add more markers. Which reminds me:
- I am not doing something weird with markers - even if there was a quota on markers, I imagine I'm nowhere near it. it just seems like I'm the "crazy marker guy" because you're reading six pages of me talking about markers. I'm not the crazy marker guy. I'm an ordinary man with a crazy marker problem. I use markers the way you do. I mark the beginnings of takes and noteworthy reactions, etc....there's maybe an average of 15 note markers in each subclip, but plenty of "functioning" subclips from the same master clip have more markers than the problem ones.
- yeah, I quit and restarted FCP. And my computer. Yeah, my "M" key works (look how many times I've used it), My mouse is plugged in, I combed my hair, my software's not stolen, I purged my render files and, believe it or not, I only had one coffee this morning.
- I haven't been working with FCP so long that I can say I have or haven't had this problem with non subclips. I've only done a couple projects with FCP so far...this one is not unusual in comparison, but this is definitely the first problem I've ever had with FCP.
- If you have read this far, you are hero not just to me, but to all of humanity.
- if you have the solution, you are a God or I am an idiot, I am praying for either to be the case and I'm not picky. Seriously, thanks in advance to anyone that wastes their brain on this.

Figure I may as well update this thread with the different things I try. I know this makes for compelling reading and I don't want to deny you the story.
- I deleted the Final Cut plist file from the preferences folder, which not only had no impact on the problem, but no apparent impact on Final Cut, which is weird, but, one riddle at a time.
- I went through my autosave vault on the scratch disk, which deepened the confusion for me: each of the three problem-clips had a specific time before and after they became frozen to marker activity. I loaded the autosaved project from 11 am, for instance, and apparently, at that time, the most recent clip to become marker-locked was still working fine, but the other two weren't. A few hours earlier than that, only one of them had the problem, and at about 6:30 this morning, the problem didn't exist.
An important thing to note is that the order in which these clips became marker-locked follows the order in which I went through them, marked their takes and moved on.
I didn't notice the problem with any of them until much later - when a creative shift prompted me to add some new marks, at which point I realized that for three of my clips, I couldn't.
So, if this problem is being triggered by me, it's happening not during actual marking (I would have noticed), but during the things I do with marked clips, namely shuttling through them with the JKL keys, jumping to each of the markers, setting in and out points and inserting them into the timeline.
Is there some key it's possible for a less than attentive, sleep deprived, FCP newbie to hit, during that activity, that "locks" the current clip to the addition and adjustment of markers? As sensitive as my ego is, I really want this to be my fault so I can learn the problem and avoid it forever. I don't want to think there's some supernatural time bomb glitch in the one copy of FCP I bought that causes random clips to slowly dry like cement after which they can never be marked again.

Best way to organise multiple large clips and hundreds of subclips

Situation
I have the task of producing a suite of short 2 minute videos comprising highlights of several hours of footage in multiple large files.
I want to extract and manage the highlights in a non-destructive way and organise them according to subject matter.
I would then use these in several projects to create the highlights videos required.
I am using Adobe CC, so it's CS6.
My approach so far is to:
1. Import all the footage into a single project as individual large clips
2. Scrub through each clip, set in/outs and extract to subclip, store in subject matter bin
My questions:
1. if I go back to the original footage and edit it, it doesn't seem to flow through to the subclips. How do I make the subclips inherit the attributes of their parent? (e.g. could be sound, colour, etc)
2. how do I access these highlights bins from another project?
3. is this the best way to handle my situation?
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I suppose applying the effects to the source clip and rendering out a new source file is one way of doing it. Just be very careful that you don't compress the output. And, of course, it will double the amount of hard drive space. I'd still make all the sub-clips first and use the "paste attributes" command. I think you can even lasso a whole bunch of clips and paste attributes to all of them at once (they have to be in the timeline, though - not the project panel).
It shouldn't take an awful lot of hard drive space to duplicate projects. Just duplicate the "prproj" file, not the whole projects folder (and certainly not the source material).
Here's a screen shot of my set-up for a complicated, 5-camera shoot of a play:
The original project (syncing all the cameras up) is 1 MB, each successive archive gets a little bigger but the current project is only 3.8 MB. I would imagine if you are deleting bins and sequences for the mini-projects, the prproj file would actually get smaller than the original master.
Okay.. so here's the mantra about non-tape based video... First you back up the card (including the complete folder structure) onto an archive drive. Next you copy this folder onto an external or RAID or other "real" archive drive. Then (and only then) do you start editing the material!
Ideally, you need at least three, physically separate harddrives (not partitions) in an editing station (this is true Windows or Mac). One drive for the operating system and applications only (no media or projects or anything!). One for working projects (each project in its own folder) where everything except the source video is stored. And finally one for the source video. On my system my OS drive is Tardis ('cuz I'm a geek!). I have a Projects drive for projects (duh!) a Scratch drive for working video files and an Archive for "finished" projects waiting delivery and back-back-ups of my SD cards.

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