Subcontracting with discontinued parts

We use discontinuations all the time but now we are fully subcontracting some products and the discontinuation is not being planned for either the old part or the new part. SAP help clearly says that subreq discontinuation is not planned but with several parts at any one time on boms of over 200 parts, we just can't manually manage this.
I don't believe we are the only one with this problem but I am unable to find any solution - please help!
Thanks

Hi Krishna,
Thanks for your reply but I don't understand how safety stock would work. Are you suggesting loading safety stock against the new part?
We have 12+ weeks lead times and constantly changing forecasts. The discontinuation worked very well in managing the old part down to zero stock with all the variables involved but safety stock is a fixed figure?
Please advise.
Donna

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Dear Fei,
What's your exact doubt?
If you want to stop using a component from a certain date and instead you would like to replace the
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1.       We have material A with stock 100, open PO 50.
2.       The material A is now planned to be phased out by replacing it with a new material B
3.       Material A had MRP type VB now we will change it to ND
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Please take a look on the following note, which explains the general restrictions of the discontinuation process:
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And the system will transfers the dependent requirements in materials planning to the follow-up material if they are no longer covered by warehouse stocks.
In standard SAP system , When discontinuing parts, the system does not include fixed receipts such as order proposals or production orders if they are after the effective-out date. The system issues the "Please cancel and Receipt" after effective-out date exception messages in Stock/Requirement List (MD04 View)
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The thing is rather simple; the idea with discontinuation is that from a certain date on we don't want to procure material A anymore, but B instead. Nevertheless, if there's any stock left from A I want to use it first.
In this situation, if somebody manually creates a fixed procurement element, like purchase or production order, the system will only create an exeption message for the planner, since by the normal course of the process this should not have happened.
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I'm talking what you can do in the system, there is 3 posibilities I have in mind:
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My question is in this if I have thought this right, if you have experience of this please contact me.
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This alternative is almost the same as alternative 2 with the exception that the material Im sending will change the material no when its back from the subcontractor. So I will send a existing material and all the parts which will be use to maintain/repair this particular material from my stock/company to a subcontractor who will do the work. This material will get a new material no. when I do the goods receipt.
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