Subdivisions in Piano Roll

Hey all. I'm a little new to logic 8 but I'm having a problem.
The **** grid in logic 8 piano roll seems to be stuck on subdividing notes into triplet sets. No matter what I do to change to division of the quantizing, it's still the same.
In Logic 7, when you changed the quantizing to say 1/32-note, it would reflect that in the grid in the background, but nothing changes when I do this.
Am I missing something?
Thanks for any help.

Check your Transport window (underneath the time signature), I suppose you have changed the grid to triplets in there .

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