Substitute Items

I have a substitution chain where item A is replaced by item B. Item B is the End Item and we are Planning to the End-Item level. We do however have safety stock on the old item (Item A) and Planned Orders are being generated for both items (create supply flag is checked for both old and new item). So, my question is: If there is a Planned Order on Item A, will that impact Orders on Item B? In other words, does ASCP consider a Planned Order when determining the requierments that are needed for Item B?

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Hi,
Can you confirm the value of the profile MSC: Choice of item for which to create supplies in substitute relationship
Thanks,
Abhishek Sharma

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Hi Gurus,
Does the MRP and WIP considers the substitute items in case the primary item is not in stock or less in number.
If not then what is the utility of giving substitute item.
If yes then please provide the setup steps.
Is there any work around for this, that how can we use the substitute items.
Thanks in advance
Sameer

Sameer,
I have seen this done effectively with Oracle in a previous implementation. in that case the components were backflushed and the actual quantities were reconciled on a periodic basis. The business requirement was that several components could be used by the shop floor. We updated the BOM Component usage to indicate the usage quantity (quantity per) * estimated percentage of use. Both components were listed as primary components. In this way, simple MRP could calculate the percentage or material required for the primary and substitutes.
Backflushing would always consume the wrong amount of material for each job, it would be decrementing inventory of both components based on this planned percentage of use. But you can reconcile this inventories on a periodic basis to correct this. It was a simple solution.
This would also solve the issue with pushing components mentioned in an earlier post. Since both components are listed as primary components, you would see both in the LOV for WIP component issues. You would then adjust the quantity for one component to the correct value and adjust the other line to zero.
Hope this helps, it's one possible solution that was proven to be effective in an electronics manufacturing environment.
Kevin Creel
www.agileplanning.com

Using Substitute Items at Job Order Level

dear gurus,
i have client requirement that is:
Semi-Finish Product : A Produce by XYZ CO.,
Packaging Material : B Procured from ABC CO.,
Same Packaging Material is Procure by : B1(as per inventory) Procure from MNO CO.,
now at BOM Level
finish Product : Z consist of
A Qty: Each 1
B Qty: Each 1
B1 Qty: Each 1 (substitute of B)
now i want whenever the Job Order is made of Item A then system should ask which item of B to be used. i know substitute item executes when primary item is zero then substitute item is used now i need to use it in different manner system should ask which item to be used.
is it possible or not...
with regards,

You are talking about customization here.
I dont think Oracle provides this as out of box functionality if you define B1 as substitute of B.
Oracle Master Scheduling/MRP reports these substitutes on some planning reports, such as the MRP Detail Report. Oracle Work in Process
does not consider substitute items in its pick lists. Planning bills and model, option class, and planning components cannot have substitute components.
Hope this helps!

What is the difference between Alternate and Substitute item?

Hi guys
Can any one help me in understanding the difference between a Alternate Item and Substitute Item.
Please refer any link / document for further study, if available.
Thanks in advance
Sreee

Does Oracle have the concept of a substitute component, irrespective of the BOM in which it could exists?
For example, Component A can always be replaced by Component B. This would be applicable to Product X or Product Y, both of them use Component A.
Oracle seems to have the concept of a substitute component on a specific BOM (BOM_SUBSTITUTE_COMPONENTS).
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/cd/A60725_05/html/comnls/us/bom/bomtas05.htm
Using this functionality, I would have to specify B as a substitute in two different BOMs - one for Product X, one for Product Y.
I am wondering if there is a global "Subsititute Item/Component".

Substitute item line text (BSEG-SGTXT)

Dear all,
I have some questions here. For example, in tcode FB60, we enter the vendor code, invoice date, amount, tax, etc. When click on simulate, there will be another line item for Tax Input(if we select the tax). One of my requirement is, if user enter any text at the basic data tab (SGTXT), i would like to copy the text (BSEG-SGTXT) to the TAX INPUT text (BSEG-SGTXT), means different line item. When i click save for park documents, the tax input text needs to be saved too. So when i view in tcode FB03, the Tax input text will also have the same value as the vendor line item text. As well as after i post the documents, the Tax Input text should also be there.
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Hi Starry,
Use PROCESS BTE not INTERFACE BTE. Process BTE has the following Parameters :
FUNCTION ZSAMPLE_PROCESS_00001120.
*"*"Local Interface:
*" IMPORTING
*"     VALUE(I_BKDF) TYPE BKDF OPTIONAL
*" TABLES
*"      T_BKPF STRUCTURE BKPF
*"      T_BSEG STRUCTURE BSEG
*"      T_BKPFSUB STRUCTURE BKPF_SUBST
*"      T_BSEGSUB STRUCTURE BSEG_SUBST
*"      T_BSEC STRUCTURE BSEC OPTIONAL
*" CHANGING
*"     REFERENCE(I_BKDFSUB) TYPE BKDF_SUBST OPTIONAL
Follow the instruction which I had posted earlier. Also check the documentation of the FM. Some important part am pasting here :
The current document headers (there will be more than one for cross-company code transactions, for example), the corresponding line items and the recurring entry data for the document header and the one-time account data are transferred to the additional component, for information purposes only. You must not edit this data. Instead, two additional tables (T_BKPFSUB and T_BSEGSUB) and the structure BKDF_SUBST are also transferred. The contents of the fields that can be substituted are entered in these tables. Field TABIX contains a line number which shows from which line in T_BSEG or T_BKPF the field contents originate.
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Faheem.

ASCP is not picking Substitute Item if Primary Qty of that item available.

Hi, We have requirement of using the component substitution functionality while releasing Manufacturing Jobs through ASCP. or Use Substitute Components e.g ITEM A & ITEM B.
ASCP should use 75% of Item A & 25% of Item B for completion of a Manufacturing Jobs (Pls note that both items have different Item Codes)"
We can use the component substitution setup, item B can be used without any shortage of item A, Or in other words we require a functionality to allocate the percentage of supplies to manufacturing Jobs, e.g. with a setup, the supply will be distributed to item A and B for 75% and 25% to Manufacturing jobs & when we drill down in each Job order, both items will be used as 75% and 25% respectively.
Regards
Umair

Hi, thanks for your response, our requirement details are as follow
We have 2 Products Named Product X & Product Z, there are 2 Items (ITEM A & ITEM B) of different manufacturer but can be used in both Products A & Product B,
Case 1: we have to use 75% of Item A in Product X & 25% of Item B in Product Z.
Case 2: we have to use 75% of Item B in Product Z & 25% of Item A in Product X
Further pls guide how we can setup the BOM to have for each unit of end item -> 0.75 usage of item A and 0.25 usage of item B
Regards
Umair
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Receiving Substitute Item

Hi,
Is it possible that we craeted PO for any Item XXX and while we are receiving that PO, itstead of receiving item XXX we receive Item YYY.
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Abdul Wasi

Hi Abdul,
The highlevel steps are:
1. Define substitute in the item relationships window. Item Master -> Tools -> Item relationships
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Dear Experts,
Need your expert advise on Item Substitution Set & Substitute Component
We have defined Item Relationship for an End Item and defined Planning Details mentioning partial fulfillment and applicable to all customers.
We have also defined a substitute component.
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Plan Type – Constraint (EDD)
Profile Option - MSO: Enable Decision Rules is set to ‘Yes’
Decision Tab is enabled and ‘Substitute Component’ is activated.
MRP: Include Substitute Components is set to ‘Yes’
MSC: Choice of item for which to create supplies in substitute relationship is set to ‘Demanded Item’
MSO: Choice of supply for substitution is set to ‘All supplies’
Issue 1 –
Even though item relationship is defined in source Instance and Substitute set is defined in Planning Details. But, while setting up plan options.. we don’t see any value to select for “End Item Substitution Set” hence End Item substitute can’t be enabled. Am I missing any additional setup which would allow to get the End Item Substitution Set in plan options.
Issue 2 –
There is sufficient OHQ available for substitute component which is pegged to excess, still there is planned order suggested to cover primary item demand.
Also, while doing an ATP we don’t see the substitute component.. but it appears currectly when doing the ATP with ‘Enable Diagnostic ATP’. Please suggest, if I am missing any steps..
Appreciate your inputs.
Regards
Sanjay

1) Make sure you collect master org too (admin > instances > organizations)
2) A constrained plan looks at substitute item only if the primary component cannot be obtained to meet the demand. So if you demand date is later than the lead time for the primary item, then Oracle will create a PO for the primary item instead of using the excess onhand of the substitute.
Hope this answers your question,
Sandeep Gandhi

Item substitute and on hand quantity control

Hi all!
I've a problem...
I've an item in a BOM with no on-hand quantity ( or little reserve..) but I've another item that can substitute the first one with its availability... how can oracle WIP (and MRP Workbench) understand this?
I try with "substitue" in BOM but it doesn't work ( what does it need for????? ).
Any ideas?
Thanks!
Silvia
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Hi, Silvia
Arumugan is rigth. In fact, MRP doesn't work with substitute items. APS can plan substitute items, MRP doesn't.
When you set BOM with the substitute information, it's only documentational. In other words, you need to change in WIP the items you'll consume in that work order.
Regards,
Ricardo Cabral

Substitute Ingredient when out of stock in Bill of Materials?

Hi, Is there a way to have substitute items in a bill of materials? If an ingredient is out of stock could sap business one suggest an alternative ingredient when making a production order?
Thank you.

Hi Jose ..
The issue is that alternative items functionality is not implemented in the Product Trees as if it is possible to use in sales documents (ctrl + tab)
In this case, what you can do is check the stock and if one is not covered, the teacher would have to open the product and from there check your Alternative for manual update on the Product Trees
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How to manage different supply parameters for the same item based on demand quantity?

We are using unconstrained ASCP. We have some products that can be produced in a 'small' machine or can be produced in a large tank. If ASCP has created a planned order for a quantity less than 1000 it will be made on the small machine with the supply quantity = demand quantity. For example, we have a demand of 250, we will make exactly 250 on the small machine. But if the demand quantity is greater than 1000 we will make the supply in the tank with a fixed order quantity of 1590. Financially it will cost us less to do this and scrap the difference because the small machine is very expensive to run compared to the tank.
The challenge is, say we need 1200. ASCP generates a planned order for 1200 and all the dependent demands support 1200. Now we want to make 1590 and we are short of materials. This assumes we have set the item with no supply parameters. On the other hand, if we set a fixed order quantity of 1590 but only need 100 then we we have to scrap the materials for the balance due to a short shelf life.
Any ideas how to set a supply quantity using different parameters based on the demand quantity?
Mark Madal

Hi Mark,
I personally don’t see any standard solution for this requirement especially with an unconstrained plan.
However, if it is feasible, you can try below solution with a 'constrained plan with decision rules enabled' and check if it works,
1.   1. Define two different items – Item A and Item B
2.   2. Item A uses small machine in its routing and can have any demand that is below 999. So, Max order quantity = 999.
3.   3. Item B uses Large Tank in its routing and is a substitute of item A. Also, fixed order quantity = 1590.
4.   4. Define component substitution relationship between A and B. A and B will have identical BOM.
In a constrained plan with decision rules enabled, optimization logic will ensure that planned orders are generated for Item A whenever there is demand below 999. And for Item A, supply will always be equal to demand quantity. When the demand is more than 999, optimization engine will select substitute item B and will generated fixed supply of 1590 for it.
Check if this satisfies your requirement.
Regards,
Durgesh P
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Adding a bundled item to an existing order?

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Automate Oracle Item Substitution

Greetings Everyone. I am in need for help/guidance/direction pertaining to the Oracle database that I am using. The current version I am using is Oracle Applications : 11.5.10.2. The issue I have is with identical items within the database that are being ordered separately AND with difference costs. I would understand if this was some sort of deliberate strategy but it has been done through ignorance for years. Well, now I am the whistleblower for an issue that can hopefully streamline some processes and save some $$$.
I have researched Oracle functionality when it comes to Order Management and found that if 'ITEM RELATIONSHIPS' have set up and the two items are defined as 'SUBSTITUTE' items, they should, in theory, be interchangeable. I can see the option for 'RELATED ITEMS' when I look at the item within the order. My question comes from the scenario defined below:
Items A and B have had their ITEM RELATIONSHIP defined as 'SUBSTITUTE'. Item B is placed on a sales order. If there is insufficient on-hand/available inventory for Item B to satisfy the demand but there is enough for Item A , does Oracle have the functionality to automatically allocate the on-hand/available inventory from Item A?
I have provided a couple links that address this below. Thanks for the help anyone!
• Oracle Global Order Promising Implementation and User's Guide
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E18727_01/doc.121/e13378/T474179T474186.htm
• Oracle Document for Related Items and Manual Substitutions
http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E18727_01/doc.121/e13408/T335476T429677.htm

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