Subtitles forced on - 'fixed' in DVDSP 4.1?

Sup sup,
As many folks may (or may not) have experienced, certain DVD players will force a DVDSP-authored disc's subtitle stream on despite the fact that the stream is authored to be off.
During the course of my last DVD project, I always tested my discs on a Samsung DVD-VR320 DVD-VHS Recorder because it's one of those players that forces subtitles on (and, in general, it displays rather non-compliant behavior). The project was done with the original version of Final Cut Studio - FCP 5.0.4, Compressor 2.0.1 & DVDSP 4.0.2. (For those wondering, I used the typical workaround - an empty subtitle [a space] as the first subtitle stream)
To make a long story short, I've since updated to the 5.1 version of Final Cut Studio. When testing for Compressor 2.1 improvements, I re-burned this last project using the newly encoded assets, after building to a new folder, using DVDSP 4.1. When playing this disc in my VR320, I was shocked to learn that the subtitle stream was not forced on.
(I'm judging this based on pressing the Subtitle button to reveal whether a stream has been activated. And it's not like there was some type of firmware upgrade performed, or any relevant language settings were altered.)
To continue testing, I built a fresh (as in 'from scratch in DVDSP 4.1') version of only the track (no menus) with the 4 (real) subtitle streams, using English closed captions as the first track - so if they were forced on, I'd see it right away. I burned two versions just to cover the bases - one where a subtitle stream was selected (but not forced on) and another where not even a stream was selected. (In my experiences pre-DVDSP 4.1, both circumstances resulted in subtitles being forced on.) In both cases, subtitle streams were not forced on by the VR320.
So my question is: has anyone else observed this (greatly improved) behavior with DVDSP 4.1?

No one else has observed this, I take it?

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Hello boys, I need your help with the subtitle forced in blu-ray authoring.
The case is simple I need forced subtitle, but this subtitle shouldn´t delete, even with the button of control remote, don´t should desappear this subtitle of any form.
Because I making a work with 2 audio and the audio original should have subtitle forced, and this subtitle shouldn´t desappear never.
Thank you.

Thank you very much Stan Jones,
I checked the option of "operation permitted" and this option not permitted change between differents subtitles, but yes I can delete the line of subtitle activated. The only change that I can do is delete, and put the line of subtitle selected. And this is the problem, I need that the line of subtitled selected in the menu don´t can desappear of any form, even from the control remote.
I know that I can burned the subtitle line into the video, but this option isn´t good, because with I are watching the video and decided change the audio to original (as this audio should have subtitle forced) then not only will change the audio, if not, that the video will return to the begin. Futhermore, for make this, I need put in 2 same time lines in the same blu-ray, 1 with audio and subtitle normal, 2 with original audio and subtitle burned into the video, and with 2 time lines the quality of video will be very bad.
Another idea for my problem? Because I remember see some blu-ray with the selected subtitled impossible of delete. Is possible that encore don´t have this option?

Is it possible to force a fixed Application to open in a Secondary Monitor?

This is my first time actively using a forum, so forgive me if I'm unclear with my question or if I'm unaware of forum common sense or etiquette.
I've been running a Multi-Monitor system for awhile now at my office. I ran into a few problems when I first set it up, but was able to resolve many issues with many work-arounds. In truth, this is one of the same major problems I was having before.
As it says in my details, I have an iMac with a Wacom Cintiq 21UX via Mini DisplayPort to DVI, and an Apple Cinema Display via Arkview USB Display Adapter. I do a lot of graphical work amongst my many tasks, so the Cintiq is typically my main input device. I have it set in a Portrait position, which I prefer greatly over Landscape.
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All my Monitors are set to their native resolutions, 1280x800 is Final Cut's suggested optimal resolution. My Cintiq is a Tablet Monitor, one that allows you to write or draw upon the screen itself, as such, it's set upon an adjustable stand that will let you place the Tablet Monitor upright, semi-flat against the desk, or anywhere in-between, in addition to 360 degree rotation in its flat position. This means that the Tablet Monitor comes with two native resolutions, one for Landscape and one for Portrait. The Cintiq is purposely designed to allow it to be set in a Portrait position, for the comfort of the User. 1200x1600 is just as native for the Cintiq as 1600x1200. Also, my Office Desktop set-up is, God-willing, a permanent set-up; I don't disconnect Monitors, and they are set to Extended Desktop Mode.
My aim was to avoid switching back or forth between resolutions or Mirroring. This will work, yes, but having to do it every time I need to use Final Cut, or any other such program with odd monitor requirements, is a hassle. With all the various windows and applications I have running at any one time, I'll be wasting time moving and resizing windows across multiple Spaces back to where they were every time I need to run Final Cut, and re-calibrating the pen to the new resolution. Which is also a little embarrassing when I need to demo a clip for my bosses and co-workers and I have to spend time, in which I could be explaining things, tiding up my desktops. It would be ideal to have it prepared before they got there, (actually, ideal would be not having to prep it in the first place) but not all meetings are scheduled and planned.
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This isn't a vital emergency though, I'm just trying to find a solution for an annoyance and to make the whole process more efficient. Oh well, C'est la vie.
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I was afraid of that.
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I will be using my new Intel iMac 20-inch dual booting XP and OS X and will be my primary workhorse for my heavy duty DV editing and DVD authoring.
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If I understand your question correctly you might want to try this software http://www.titlefactory.com/
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I am talking about subtitles not captions
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Chris,
Both are good or bad - it depends on what you intend to do.
With the text files you're way more flexible, but the quality of the subtitles is a bit below rendered titles and some fonts do either not work with DVDSP or kerning is not that nice. Rendered titles text can't be changed easily except they are 'Layered TIFFs'.
I always would go the text route as it takes less space and is more flexible.
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Corrected Email.
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You don't actually mention if this problem occurs in preview or in a real player.
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