Subtitles too complex , copy subtitles?

I am putting 4 graduation ceremonies onto separate DVDs. I put the subtitles into one of the ceremonies using Encore,(time consuming I know but not in a serious time crunch yet).Outputted to DVD and everything is great. Seeing how the speeches are basically the same between ceremonies replaced 1st ceremony asset with 2nd ceremony asset, moved subtitles to
sync up and changed content on some (for adlibs and miss speaks,can't anyone stick to a damn script).Had to move large sections of subtitles due to change of order of speakers. Check project and is fine. Start burning DVD and after transcoding video get to subtitles section and it stops telling me the subtitles are too complex. Any suggestions? Will lassoing and copying subtitles and pasting into new project work?

"Subtitles or subpictures too complex to build." error message. Encore CS4, Win XP.
I wrestled with this, even attempting to delete cached files until my original project wouldn't load. I rebuilt the project and all the navigation in a new project, and reimported all the subtitles, blocking them as before. I got the same error message on build. After seeking advice online I tried narrowing my left and right text field margins in the subtitle import dialog to 100 and 620. Same error on build.
I built a new test project, importing one subtitle track at a time without modification onto a new timeline with my project's video. That was OK on build. I modified 2 of the subtitles in the same way as before, making the typeface smaller. That build was rejected with the original error message. I returned the typeface size of that page to the original size. That built ok. I tried squeezing the text aspect for the one page to get the blocking I wanted. That build was rejected. I returned the text aspect to normal but re-blocked the page to get the text to at least fit, even though it wasn't the layout I wanted. (I took some of line 1 in French and moved it to line 2.) That built. I am cutting my losses and letting the blocking go for that language, on that page.
Bottom line: it appears that you can't mix typeface sizes in subtitle tracks, at least in my single experience. I did find another post that claimed that making a larger outline on the text also can remove the error on build, but I found that out later, so didn't get to test it.

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Does anyone know what the max number of caracters in a single Encore subtitle "string" is if you want to avoid the "Subtitle too complex to render" error message?
I have a project with one subtitle layer, concisting of 483 "subtitle strings" in it and i'm getting the "...too complex..." message when rendering.
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Well, just in case anyone else is stuck with the same problem and comes across this old string: After several tests I have come up with this solution that works for me - and perhaps for others too:
Notice that the subtitle borders are set differently than the default settings. The settings I use keeps the subtitle string just inside the outer safe area border where as the default settings are inside the inner safe area border and thus resulting in shorter subtitle lines.
You can choose a different typeface and size if you like. These matters doesn't seem to have much influence on the "_too complex_" issue.
With these settings I can write a maximum of 60 characters, including spaces, per line. Remember to make forced line breaks between the lines, if your subtitle string is longer than one line. Otherwise Encore will see what appears to be two lines as one long line exceeding the max number of characters and thus resulting in a "_too complex_" error.
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I have a project that is going to be authored in both PAL and NTSC. It has subtitles in six languages.
On the NTSC one, everything burns fine.
On the PAL one, I get an error when burning saying "subtitle or menu subpicture too complex."
We have the same subtitle scripts being used in both, and the menus are the same beside the difference in dimensions (I think there is probably some slight movement of button position). The dimensions for the subtitle cells entered in the PAL version are actually slightly smaller in height, but the same width as the NTSC.
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Subtitles too complex to render (CS6)

Hello
We have a problem that many other users seem to have too:
I'm building a DVD with two subtitle tracks (english and german). When I tried to build the .iso-file, I always got the error message "The subtitle or menu subpicture is too complex to be encoded". So I was reading about the problem on the web and tried some stuff, and somehow, Encore destroyed my file. Encore always crashed as soon as I edited something on the subtitle track.
So I decided to rebuild the whole menu (about 2 days of work). After I've rebuild the menu, I tried to build the .iso-File before I imported the subtitles. Then it worked. So it was clear that it was something with the subtitles.
So I re-imported only one of the subtitle tracks with the following settings:
I changed the values of the display area because some people wrote that It worked after they made the subtitle display area smaller. But when I then tried to build the .iso-file, I got the error message about too complex subtitles again.
I have some subtitles with two lines. So I deleted all the two-line-subtitles and tried to build the .iso-file again, but it still did not work. I then deleted all the subtitles that contain more than about eight words. I tried to build the iso-file again and IT WORKED!!!
But that can't be a solution! Or do I have to split a sentence like "You know exactly the cops are trying to set us up!" in two seperate subtitles? That would make it a pain in the *** to read the subtitles!
What does Adobe say about that? What can/should I do? I lost already several weeks of my life with this problem (and nobody will pay me for that time)!
By the way: Will Encore be discontinued or is there a CC version coming? I'm wondering why Encore's latest version is still CS6.
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Not all users seem to have this issue. So I keep thinking there must be a workaround. But there are users who never find one. I don't do enough subtyitles to have any good troubleshooting for a deadline like this. There is often a subtitle creation software involved in subtitle issues.
For alternatives to Encore, try this thread:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1237762?tstart=0

Subtitles are too complex.

I' am making a DVD using all image files from CaptionMax. See post from yesterday:
stevenl, "Image Subtitles." #1, 10 Apr 2006 4:34 pm
Anyway in just a test of the whole subtitle thing I only imported 1 subtitle track and tried to burn a folder and/or image file and got a message telling me that my one track is too complex. I'm going to need seven more, so if you think it's complex now??? All I did is set my first play to Timeline 1 with the one track set to display. Now, I have another timeline in the project that I set as the end action of the first with its track set to display. Can there be an issue in that the two timelines are different aspects 1 is 16x9 and 2 is 4x3?
I don't think that my problem should be anything related to this thread:
ivansull, "EncoreDVD 2.0 Subtitles" #10, 21 Mar 2006 10:46 pm
since my subtitles are all index .tif files that are already as small as they're going to get. I've also used these type of files in our Sonic DVD Fusion system many times and never had this kind of issue.
I've read about other Encore issues with subtitles, but most of them seem related to text subtitles, what issues (if any) are there with image files?
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Steven,
The "too complex" error is probably the one mentioned in post #5 of the "EncoreDVD 2.0 Subtitles" thread. This is not an Encore issue, but a limitation set by the DVD-Video specification. It doesn't matter whether the subtitles are imported via a text script or as bitmap images; if any (horizontal) line exceeds 1440 bits it exceeds the spec maximum.

The Subtitle or menu subpicture is too complex !

I am running Encore version 2.0 and almost completed a project. The final stage is to add subtitles. When I try to create an iso file or burn to DVD, the encoding process goes OK until it comes to encoding subtitles. It then comes up with "The subtitles or menui sub-picture is too complex to be encoded" and gives up.
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It seems to be fairly easy to get subtitles INTO Encore.
However, after spending many hours carefully typing in subtitles for use in a Std. Def. video, and then wanting to reuse the same subtitles in a Widescreen video version (same timecodes, difference camera/angle)I was saddened to realize that I could not copy the "subtitle" object from one timeline to another, nor was there any way to export the typed in subtitles so I could import into the other timeline.
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I've been using Lemony to create all my subs and then import them directly into EncoreDVD. But I agree with you, it would be a nice feature request to add to the list. It shouldn't be so difficult to do. It just needs more than a couple of people to want the feature to make it worth Adobe's effort. Peace, BJ

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